Thread: A VES Scenario
08-13-2005, 10:29 PM #51
Originally Posted by VinnieB
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- Dec 2002
- Central NJ
Im my expierence over 8 years...I have always used preconnects. The fires we lost were due to poor stragety and tactics, only a few were poor hose estimates.
08-14-2005, 10:39 AM #52Originally Posted by NDeMarse
Ok I see what your mean now. I wonder how many other departments utilize the 2d due and sometimes even 3d due Engines to stretch the first line. We also have bosses that like to take the rope bucket so we can do a rope stretch up....which is great! especially on those looooooong stretches.IACOJ Member
08-14-2005, 05:42 PM #53
I worked in Illinois for 3 years before coming out here. I tried to get my department to team up the 1st & 2nd due engines to get the 1st line into operation on more than one occasion. For some reason they just won't do it.
If we team up with 4 and 5 firefighters arriving on a rig I am not sure why a department arriving with 2 firefighters on a rig would not do the same thing. Instead (in my former department) we would have 2 or 3 dry lines on the ground waiting to make the advance. Very unprofessional in my opinion, but as they say, "It works for us and we ain't New York"! LOL
I always get a kick out of that line
Have a good one
08-15-2005, 11:38 AM #54
Preconnects don't play a vital role when your fires can be on the first floor or the 34th and anywhere in between."This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?
08-15-2005, 12:11 PM #55Originally Posted by MG3610
It all depends on your area. Were I work....preconnects are not happening. And if you have to stop a stretch to break a line, get another length, and re- connect...then continue to stretch...to me that just slows the first line down. I think its way easier to pull up will virtually "unlimited" hose...estimate then stretch...pull whats needed....ask the boos if he has enough...then hook up and chace kinks. In 13 years I've used both preconnects and static....but I like stretching off the backstep much better. And yes you can short stretch with a static bed too....as long as you put someone there with experiance...the likleyhood of that happening is less. And in that same 13 years....I've seen fires turn into complete disasters because the first line wasn't stretched or placed properly. The fire goes as the first line goes.....just my thoughts.IACOJ Member
08-23-2005, 01:55 PM #56
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- New York
Preconnects only work for short stretches, by short I mean up to about 300 feet at most. A perfect example would be the other night we caught a job on the 5th floor, normally not a bad stretch, however we had wrap around stairs (around the elevator shaft). The stretch ended up being 12 lenghts. Also without the 2nd due engine the stretch would of been impossible. (Yes vinnieb I was working in the engine that night) I think that just proves how important it is to have multiple engines and how preconnects only work in certain areas.
08-24-2005, 10:26 PM #57Originally Posted by firefiftyfive
I hope all is well with you....I was in manhattan for an all hands about a month ago I saw your company, but I guess you weren't working.....95/36 first due for a 10-25 code1 that went to a 10-75....and later...manhole started blowing...pretty wild stuff....it was the first time I had seen purple smoke.IACOJ Member
08-24-2005, 10:31 PM #58
08-26-2005, 08:13 PM #59Originally Posted by NDeMarseIACOJ Member
12-19-2006, 10:59 AM #60
It looks to me like there's more than one window where the brown smoke is. Does it matter which one gets vented?I am a highly trained professional and can find my :: expletive deleted:: with either hand in various light conditions.
01-09-2007, 10:15 PM #61
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in regards to the picture of the row frame...... if your in the front yard watch out for that air conditioner on the 2nd floor. also if your standing around with nothing to do ladder exposure 4
06-27-2011, 09:42 PM #62
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-If the fire is on the first floor is it possible to VES "behind the fire" when the line is flowing if your targeting second floor bedrooms?
-Do you guys ever VES a room that isn't behind the fire when the line is operating, if so do you any thing different?
-When preforming VES Do you guys still worry about getting back to your exit point when the hoseline is going into operation if you already have the door closed?
Last edited by Dibbs12; 06-28-2011 at 01:53 PM.
06-28-2011, 01:32 PM #63
-If the fire is on the first floor is it possible to search behind the fire when the line is flowing if your targeting second floor bedrooms?
-Do you guys ever search a room that isn't behind the fire when the line is operating, if so do you any thing different?
-Do you guys still worry about getting back to your exit point when the hoseline is going into operation if you already have the door closed?
Not every officer closes the door when they are waiting for the engine...personnlay I think thats dangerous and wrong. I like when the boss shuts it...and if he doesn't I make sure to and communicated that I did. Sometimes we leave the can man at the door if we have to find where the fire is the apt. That way if things go bad, he can call out and we can find our way back. Also, once the line is in place and ready to operate we generally pull back to them so we don't get hit by the stream....on a few occations I have gotten into either a closet or a bathroom and waited for the engine to pass me. Only one did I stay in the same spot but that was because I was trying to make a backroom where I heard a women screaming. I was burned but my burns were thermal and not steam.
Hope that helps, if not,, keep asking!!
Stay Safe broIACOJ Member
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