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    Angry Yes, please blow up our subways......we cant offend anyone.

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    NEW YORK Alarmed by a new round of mass transit attacks in London (search), police in New York began random searches of bags and packages brought into the city's vast subway system.

    The inspections started on a small scale Thursday in Manhattan (search) and were expanded during Friday morning's rush hour a development welcomed by some commuters.

    "I'm not against it," Ian Compton, 35, a computer consultant, said at Grand Central Terminal (search) in Midtown Manhattan. "I think any measures for safety that aren't terribly intrusive are worth doing."

    Officers, some with bomb-sniffing dogs, were stopping people carrying bags as they entered subways, commuter trains, buses and ferries at various points in the city, police said. Anyone who refuses a search will be turned away, and those caught carrying drugs or other contraband could be arrested.

    One man was arrested during Thursday evening rush hour at the Brentwood Long Island Rail Road station after police became suspicious, stopped his van and allegedly found a machete and other weapons. Gilbert Hernandez, 34, had been convicted of possessing a pipe bomb in 1996, police said.

    Friday morning, an officer was seen outside a subway stop at Penn Station with a sign saying, "NYPD, Backpacks and other containers subject to inspection."

    Police officials said they had considered taking the measures to thwart bombings for the past three years. Two terrorist attacks on transit targets in London forced their hand, said Paul Browne, the police department's chief spokesman.

    Browne called it "the first time this regimen has been used in (New York's) transit system."

    On Thursday, a cluster of officers was seen stopping five men over a 15-minute period as they entered the subway in Union Square at evening rush hour. In each instance, the officers peered briefly into their bags, then waved them through.

    "If it serves a purpose, I'm OK with it," said one of the men, James Washington, 45, about being stopped.

    Officials declined to specify where and how frequently the checks would occur or how long they would last. The NYPD already had doubled the number of officers who patrol the subway after the initial attack in London on July 7, at a cost of $2 million a week in overtime.

    That explosion killed 52 people and four suicide bombers. On Thursday, four small explosions struck the London Underground and a bus in a far less bloody attack. The only reported injury was an asthma attack.

    "We just live in a world where, sadly, these kinds of security measures are necessary," New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said. "Are they intrusive? Yes, a little bit. But we are trying to find that right balance."

    The New York Civil Liberties Union warned that the new measures violate basic rights and could invite racial or religious profiling.

    "The plan is not workable and will not make New Yorkers more secure but will inconvenience them as police go about finding a needle in a haystack," NYCLU executive director Donna Lieberman said.


    New York's subways carry about 4.5 million passengers on the average weekday, according to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority. The system, the largest in the country, has more than 468 stations, most of which have multiple entrances, and during rush hours the flood of humanity in and out of key stations can be overwhelming.

    William K. Williams, a 56-year-old Manhattan resident who rides the train every day, said the searches would frustrate New Yorkers.

    "Sometimes you need to get to an appointment, you're running late and a cop stops you to delay you even further? That's going to create a mess," said Williams, who was carrying a briefcase outside the Brooklyn Bridge station of the subway.


    Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said passengers selected for searches will be approached by officers, who will ask them what they're carrying and request that they open their bags. Those who decline "can't enter the system," he said.
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    You know, this all comes about after the stink over "racial profiling" over the past years. This bothers me so much; if someone looks suspicious the liberties union will still stick up for them. There is a reason certain people look suspicious and if searching them makes the subways and transit in New York safer then so be it. We are in a new era in which we have to expect this. All you can do is make yourself NOT look suspicious because if you do (i.e. wearing a thick coat in August in NY) you will be searched.

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    As an Arab-American i feel that the stupid Civil Rights Union, or whatever it's called is doing a huge injustice to the nation. Sure you're going to have racial profiling because most of the insane extremists happen to be Arabs right now. This is a stupid, stupid argument. The 15 minute search may be a tad excessive, but "Can you open your bag?" routine takes about 5-10 seconds. Anyone who doens't have that much time to ensure the safety of others can sit on it.
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    NEW YORK--At a press conference Monday, American Civil Liberties Union officials announced that the organization will go to court to defend a neo-Nazi group's right to burn down ACLU headquarters.

    ACLU president Nadine Strossen told reporters that her organization intends to "vigorously and passionately defend" the Georgia chapter of the American Nazi Party's First Amendment right to freely express its hatred of the ACLU by setting its New York office ablaze on Nov. 25.

    "I am reminded of the words of Voltaire: 'I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,'" Strossen said. "While the ACLU vehemently disagrees with the idea of Nazis torching this building, the principle of freedom of expression must be supported in all cases. If we take away these Nazis' right to burn down our headquarters, we take away everyone's right to burn down our headquarters."

    Buddy Carver, president of the Georgia chapter of the American Nazi Party, praised the ACLU for taking on his case. "I would like to thank Ms. Strossen and all the other bleeding-heart liberals at the ACLU for defending my constitutional right to express my loathing of them with hundred-foot-high flames," said Carver, sporting a tan uniform and swastika arm band. "We must finish the job Hitler was unable to."

    ACLU associate director Mel Rosenblatt agreed. "The real danger here is not the American Nazi Party," he said. "The real danger here is what would happen to the rest of us if the Buddy Carvers of this world were not allowed to commit arson against bleeding-heart-liberal attorneys."

    Making the case all the more controversial is the neo-Nazis' demand that the ACLU's entire 315-person staff be in the building at the time of the blaze. Strongly opposing the request are New York City police commissioner William Bratton, fire chief Ed Holm and mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who said that all 315 will die if trapped in the 47-story building during the blaze. ACLU attorneys responded that they will request a federal appeals hearing if the City of New York attempts to stop them and their fellow ACLU employees from perishing in the Nov. 25 blaze.

    "Yes, my loving wife Linda and three wonderful children, Ben, Robby and Stephanie, will be devastated when I am killed next month," ACLU attorney Harvey Gross said. "But I recognize that, in a very real sense, it would be a victory for Mr. Carver and his fellow hatemongers if I did not burn to death, because their terrible message of bigotry and intolerance would be all the more effective if suppressed."

    The Carver case is one of several controversial legal battles with which the ACLU has been involved this judicial year. In State of California v. Tubbs, the organization defended the right of a San Francisco art gallery to display a piece of performance art in which innocent passersby are shot to death by gunmen. In February, the ACLU went to U.S. Appeals Court to defend the Grand Wizard of the Coahoma County, Mississippi, chapter of the Ku Klux Klan's right to beat a black man to death and spray-paint 'White Pride' across his chest.

    "We can have no arbitrary setting of limits when it comes to the Bill of Rights," Strossen said. "The Constitution does not say, 'You have the right to express these opinions, but not those opinions.' Nor does it say, 'You can express these opinions by word, but not by violence.' For a free society to work, hatred, in all its forms, must be encouraged."
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    Originally posted by nmfire
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    I wonder if you refuse to be"randomly" searched at one station,can you go to another station and not have your number come up or does anyone else expect that they should have some method of communicating when and who has been denied access to public transportation?
    Right after 9-11,Greyhound's Memphis station had their rentacops running metal detector wands over people's baggage and making them pay extra to ship their own property on the bus.
    I griped about that to the front office as there was no signage like at airports announcing that they were doing so.
    Memphis still has the rentacops but they are a different outfit(a previous employer,tho I had nothing to do with it)and they don't check people out unless they raise suspicions.

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    See, here's the thing about racial profiling. If the only people blowing up the subways around the world are of Arabic decent, of course they're going to be searched more! What don't people understand about this?! It's not about ****ing people off, it's about protecting our own asses from the very people that want to cause us harm!

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    Maybe we should put all the ACLU people and the others who refuse to be searched on one set of trains and buses where no one has been searched, and all the rest of the people who care about their own safety on another set of trains and buses. Then let natural selection take it's course.
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    Originally posted by mglax13
    Maybe we should put all the ACLU people and the others who refuse to be searched on one set of trains and buses where no one has been searched, and all the rest of the people who care about their own safety on another set of trains and buses. Then let natural selection take it's course.
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    Kind of like the canaries in the mines. I like it. I know which train I'll be riding.

    I've been through numerous backpack/handbag searches (being a female, I have a lot of essential items that I absolutely must have with me at all times-ha), and they're really not a big deal. Even the most thorough ones take less than 2 or 3 minutes. What I didn't appreciate, though, was going to the Guggenheim and being told that I had to check my handbag because it looked like a backpack and then proceeding upstairs to see women of a race different than my own who were permitted to carry their backpacks. I guess they just chose to enforce the rules for me, because they knew I had no basis for whining.

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    Here's a quick 12 question history test for the ACLU:


    1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:

    a. Superman
    b. Batman
    c. Spiderman
    d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40


    2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by

    a. Don Juan
    b. Don Knotts
    c. Donald Trump
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



    3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

    a. The Ink Spots
    b. James Brown
    c. Ray Charles and the Rayettes
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



    3.During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:

    a. Jack Dempsey
    b. Ezard Charles
    c. Sugar Ray Robinson
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    4. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

    a. Mr. T
    b. P Diddy
    c. X-Men
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



    5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

    a. Jack B. Nimble
    b. Miss Muffett
    c. Mary Q. Contrary
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

    a. Captain Kidd
    b. Captain Kirk
    c. Captain Kangaroo
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

    a. Dumbo
    b. The Tooth Fairy
    c. Tinker Bell
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

    a. Rosie O'Donnell
    b. Ellen DeGeneres
    c. Mellisa Etheridge
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    9. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

    a. Buckwheat
    b. Alfafa
    c. Spanky
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



    10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:

    a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
    b. Huey, Louie and Dewey
    c. Sponge Bob Square Pants
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

    a. General Mills
    b. General Electric
    c. General Motors
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

    a. George and Gracie
    b. Sonny and Cher
    c. Luci and Dezi
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    Nope, ...I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

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    Damn, you stopped at 12..... I almost started to see some sort of common thread

    My problem, as a person that rides the train into Grand Central everyday, is that they are stopping people right before the platforms. If anything, they should be checking bags on the OUTSIDE of the terminal. Once a would-be bomber is inside, he can do enough damage without ever getting on a train.

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    Angry London connection

    The numbering will have to also include the London Underground Bombings--for those of you that are interested, a British Member of Parliament predicted over 30 years ago what would happen when England allowed free and easy immigration.
    His Name=Enoch Powell.

    Tap into Google, Enoch Powell-Rivers of Blood

    And of course all the PC w#nkers screamed "Racist barst#rd at him" I wonder if some of the victims of the latest bombings are the the children of those very same people?
    Should you think I am a racist for bringing this up--think again --I too am the victim of racism, that is why I emigrated.
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    It amazes me with these civil liberty crybabies...NYPD institutes a policy that is designed to protect the citizens (and commuters)of NYC & they bitch.."wa, wa...you're violating people's civil rights"
    but if they didn't do it & something happened, they would be the FIRST ones crying "wa, wa..you didn't make enough of an effort to protect us"...

    Bottom line is this - if you are a law abiding citizen & don't have anything to hide, then what's the problem??? Leave your porn DVD's,
    bazookas, weed and whatever else you shouldn't have at home (in the privacy of your own home...wll maybe the bazooka is a bit of a stretch but you get the idea) and you won't have a problem. Any of the people interviewed who opposed this measure apparently had something to hide like the genius who says "yeah...I ain't lettin' 'em search MY bag, I'll walk instead...that's harassment!!"...no dumb*****, that's not harassment..it's called
    protecting your sorry ***** so you can go home after a hard day's work (or whatever it is you do all day) and do whatever you want with all that stuff you shouldn't have in your bag anyway.

    Hey, I don't advocate cops walking into your house to search it without probable cause but if opening your backpack for 15 seconds so they can make sure you don't kill 500 people is what needs to be done, then shut up, open your bag and move on your merry way...or else go buy a bike 'cause you ain't getting on a NYC train...

    Oh one last thing..food for thought for these civil liberty crybabies, you wanna talk about people having their civil rights being violated...what about the 3,000+ people killed on 9/11 whose civil rights were violated???!!! Those people were guilty of nothing more than going to work that day to support their families!!! Maybe if we had done these measures pre 9/11, those people would have had a chance!!!

    Ok, just my 2 cents...agree or diasgree if you want..that's still the great thing about the USA...we can all agree to disagree without blowing each other up... Stay Safe...

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    As a graduate of the Sherlock Holmes School I think I detect a pattern there.

    We must also remember that Theo Van-Gho, a dutch filmmaker was brutally slain by Islamic Extremists in the Netherlands. In broad daylight his throat was cut.

    In fact-the list could go on for pages-taking up all the storage space on the server.
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    So does anyone really, truly think that randomized searches are effective?

    These people are not stupid. Do you have 5 police officers at every single train or subway station in New York?

    What if I refuse to show you what is in my bag? You have no probably cause to effect a search and there is literally tons of case law on my side.

    This is window dressing and that is all. It is not designed for anyone's safety, it designed to make people feel better.

    If the police do nothing they are criticised for not doing anything. If they do too much they are violating rights. If a detonation occurs in NYC they did not do enough.

    You do not randomly search people. You search every single person if you are going to anything at all.

    As for the ACLU and any of it's state organizations, if they fair and equal in their defense of everyone and every constitutionally guaranteed right (such as the 2nd amendment) then they might some amount of respect and solid ground to stand on.
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