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    Well this went downhill in a flash....Turnout, just so you know, Sandboxwife isn't herself in "The Sandbox", her husband is. She has been one of the very few supporters of the guys/girls over there, and those of us who are waiting to go over and wanting to find out as much info as possible. She's not the problem on this forum, it's everyone who whines and bitches about what they perceive as ill-treatment from WSI. How would you feel if your spouse was over fighting fires in a combat zone, and someone came on these forums and said what seemed like, "We don't care about what people are doing over there, so stop talking about it." Granted, that's not what Firetacoma said, but some of us perceived it that way. So please, cut Sandboxwife some slack, and let's all concentrate on getting rid of the trolls, k?

    Now, back to the point of this thread.....As I think about it more, I actually think that having our own section would be nice. That way, when I want to hear stuff about Iraq, I don't have to sift through all of the other threads that we have here. We'll have to make sure everyone knows about it, but in my opinion it's actually a good idea.

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    I am so tired of the childishness in these threads.
    The only thread that is not child like is the WIVES thread.
    The lady¡¦s seem to focus on what the thread is about.
    In the FIRST thread is was good for a long time, sharing information not taking shots at each other.
    IRAQ is a hard place WSI has many problems, some of the personnel were hot hired with proper Certs (this is the norm in the contract F/F world, I know this as WSI-Iraq was my 3rd contract.
    ALL startups are complicated and support is irksome to say the least.
    In all depts. You have good officers and you have Straw bosses. In most Vollie depts. You have cry baby Bitc_¡¦s that run to the Chief and pimp out the others. In paid depts. You have the Kiss up who can not be trusted either.
    When 1 brings hundreds of people from all over the Country (USA) to perform a Military Contract 8,000 miles away from home, and Management has not worked out all the bugs, and worry about bizzy work instead of setup, one will find great frustration.
    No one was forced to go to IRAQ but the nature of man is that when give limited information on will usually speculate in the positive to ¡§sell the idea¡¨ to ones self.
    That is what I did and that is what many have done also.
    Let us raise the bar Gentleman GIVE only first hand information limit the redorick and who cares if the member (expressing there ¡§right to self expression¡¨) USES ALL CAPS>
    The use of all caps on the internet is for dramatic, or loudness, and can be used as yelling.
    If the member wants to ¡§warn¡¨ others of perceived pit falls it is there right to do so.
    If others wish to parse the ¡§history making¡¨ accomplishments WSI has made then that is there right.
    You¡¦ll carry on and remember Have a nice day ƒº
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    Default Re: Re: Talking to idiots!

    If we didn't get paid for our labors,what would be the point of filling out an application?
    If the"market"has decided that fighting fires in hazardous areas pays more than in nice secure American cities,towns and rural areas,so be it.
    If an outfit can pay 90K a year for someone to go where it's hot,sandy with intermittent groundfire,the people who sign up to go have a Right to expect that they'll have good equipment to use.The company that can pay top wages can afford top equipment and damn well better provide it,in my view.


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    Hmmmm what would make someone leave a nice civil job in the US and go fight fire in war zone??????? $$$$ thats all.

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    Default I will start again and play nicer....

    Like i said before, i watched the original Iraq threads from the beginning. There is some truth to what Sandboxffwife said, I was complaining in my post. Perception is a big thing whether we like it or not. when the world reads these posts, whining and complaining 24-7, they paint a picture of these people, not just WSI, but the poster as well. These posters are contract firefighters just as i am. What do you think Fire Chiefs think when they see as employment history on a resume as "Firefighter, WSI Iraq"? I know what i think, I deal with it everyday. I screen resumes and i know what the Chief thinks. Everyone knows about this site. Our chief reads it regularly. These guys posting think they are only hurting WSI, but they are hurting every Firefighter that has to list WSI Iraq as employment history. They are painting a negative "perception" of contract firefigters in Iraq, not just WSI. If i have offended everyone, i apologize. I'm just saying "think" before you post. WSI is not being harmed by this. WSI can dissolve and become any other name after this contract. Can every contract firefighter there do the same? I am on the inside in a position that gets to see the effects of this. Listen or not, WSI does not have to worry about employment history later.

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    I have contacted the webteam about a seperate Iraq forum.

    Anxiously awaiting their reply.

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    I also contacted them Tacoma - hopefully it will be a positive answer and good for all!
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    -But people will never forget how you made them feel!

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    Turnout, if you and your "chief" are making employment decisions based on a internet message board I fear for the future of whatever city it is that would put you in a position to hire, fire, or clean restrooms for that matter.

    With that being said I think the firefighters whining about WSI is a reflection of today’s job market. Nothing seems good enough for employees now. You have recent college grads that enter the workforce that think they should be getting paid the same as a 20 year person who has put in their time. They want more pay, more benefits, and fewer hours. Sorry to say but YOU CHOSE TO CHASE THE MONEY. Sorry if they are not being nice to you, but their are numerous departments stateside that have issues I care allot more about then yours. If you don't like the fact that you chose to go to an unstable country that is in the middle of a war for 90k a year then quit but please stop telling us how you were deceived. Maybe the money had you so blinded that you were not paying attention to all the details in your employment agreement.

    As for people saying they are doing it for the future of their wives or kids. Let me tell you something. There is no amount of money in the world that could compensate me for losing a year of my son's or my wives life. Seeing one of my sons hit a homerun in t-ball. Or lose a first tooth. Or ride his bike for the first time without training wheels is worth way more to me then 90k a year. If you need money that bad. Get a second job near home while your kids are at school. Don't by the new car you don't really need. Whatever it takes to be involved with your kids.

    The people I admire and pray for are those that signed up to protect our country for minimal pay and got sent to that hellhole and are doing things most of us would to scared to do.

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    Rigin....I couldnt agree with you more about missing time with your family...and yes I commend you on your desire to be with them...I have two kids myself and I made the very difficult decision to come over here so that 20 yrs from now I won't have to. I would much rather be with my kids and loved ones working 24-48's but in order for me to do that and provide for my family I need to be here. I commend every soldier over here for serving there country in the way they do. I did my time in the service and was fortunate enough to have been given a job that kept me out of war torn countries. I went in open contract and was given airport firefighter as a job. thats why I am a FF today...absolutely the best decision of my life. When I accomplish my goals of why I came over here I will be the first one in line to get the hell out of here. I dont mind it here but yes I like it with my family alot more.... As for the reflection of the workforce...uh-huh....definitely getting worse...maybe I misunderstood your last comment but it sounded to me that you could care less about us (FF's) or any other contractor over here...we are all doing a part for our country...Only my opinion but I think that people that are enjoying there time with there families in the states should take the time out and pray for the safe return of every american over here, and that this war comes to a peaceful conclusion...

    I am not disagreeing with you but if I was correct about your last comment I'm sorry you feel that way and I hope you reconsider your feelings about anybody but soldiers

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    Don't get me wrong I want all that are over there to come home safe but trying to say they are doing it for their country is wrong. They are doing it for the money. If you want to do it for your country join the military and be a firefighter. Think conditions suck now? Wait till your operating some of that fine military equipment they have. The people who chose to leave their families in chase of the almighty dollar made their bed and now have to lay in it. I don’t want to hear someone who made the choice to make 90k a year with hardly any other expenses crying about how tough it is when our military men and women suck it up and dodge bullets for a lot less. So make your money and quit with the whining no one forced you to be there. If you don't like it leave. I am sure their are more money hungry lackeys more then willing to take your spot.

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    Originally posted by Rigin1
    They are doing it for the money.

    The people who chose to leave their families in chase of the almighty dollar made their bed and now have to lay in it.

    I am sure their are more money hungry lackeys more then willing to take your spot.

    Good Luck
    So all of us who are over there or waiting to go over there are "money hungry lackeys". You don't know who or what we are and the fact that you would make such a brash statement shows that you put very little thought into it. That would be about the same amount of thought put into some of the posts you are complaining about. I have emailed and spoken to several fine men who are working for WSI right now. I would like to see you say some of the crap you wrote to their faces. There are dozens of reasons to go over there, not just the money. In fact some of the guys over there would tell you that the reason they went is so they can make a better life for their children. (I for one am bound and determined to put my daughter through college , but that is just one reason.) Maybe you can't see where others are coming from. Maybe you could if you got off of that high horse you rode in on. You are not better that anyone else just because you wouldn't trade $90,000 to see your kid hit a home run. This country was built by people leaving home (and sometimes their families) for work. How about the pioneers that settled in the West. Were they "money hungry lackeys" as well? Or were they looking to make a future for families? How you can sit there and make blanket judgmental statements about people you have never even met is completely in the wrong.
    I for one am anxiously awaiting my departure date, and I think I can speak for others when I say I am glad you are not. After 2 months you would be just as bad as some of the worst complainers on this board.

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    Rigin1....I really dont know what to say about your naive generalization of all contract firefighters in Iraq...I consider it an insult to say the least...How did you come to these conclusions?...Do you know for sure why exactly every contract firefighter is over here?....Are we all "money hungry lackeys?"

    If you want to do it for your country join the military and be a firefighter.

    ...I AM SERVING MY COUNTRY..and getting paid alot to do so.

    I don’t want to hear someone who made the choice to make 90k a year with hardly any other expenses crying about how tough it is when our military men and women suck it up and dodge bullets for a lot less.

    ..I don't either...but I support my family so I have plenty of expenses

    So make your money and quit with the whining no one forced you to be there.

    ....I wont take this personally but some others should DEFINITELY. I personally like my job!!

    I am sure their are more money hungry lackeys more then willing to take your spot

    ...This I take personally...I dont work for WSI..I work for KBR...I know some people that are far from being qualifed to hold positions over here(and in the states)...and yes I know people that work for WSI that I used to work with in the states that are "Lackey's"...I wonder what some of the highly qualified individuals over here would think about your general impression of all contract workers....Do you work with nothing but highly qualified individuals at your dept?...me neither...I am trying to be polite about this because people on here that lower themselves to childlike behavior is a disgrace to the fire service that I respect...so I will say as respectfully as possible that your opinion of contract firefighters as a hole is incorrect and demeaning...And if you ever have to chance to meet one of them then maybe you should form your opinion because you probably have never met one..or possibly have but have never met any of the fine individuals I work with...

    Stay Safe!

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    My opinions are towards the people complaining on this board that are over there. I am not naive enough to think that a good majority of people won't chase money but don't whine when you get there. If you can't figure out a way to make money to give a good life to your family or put your kids through college without putting yourself right in the middle of the most unstable region in the world then more power to you....enjoy. Don't look to others to have sympathy for your conditions.

    As far as people moving out west to make better lives for themselves and their families...the majority took their families with them, and they didn't drop themselves into the middle of a war to do it.

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    Ok well rjin or whatever, I am here, and I some what agree with you.

    Hello you morons.......the only reason ANY OF US considered it was because of the money. If you deny that, then you are dumber than you look. Weulz or whomever, come on dude. It is great you want to put your daughter through college, but be reall dude. Don't be a fake. At least own up to the fact that if it were not for the money then why would you have bothered. This other guy.......MJrayn.......you are serving your country right NOW!!!!! That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever heard in my life. KBR serving their country...........thats like saying Saddam was never a dictator!!! You are an idiot and really deserve no comment, but here ya go. You opened it, you are gonna get it. KBR does nothing unless it involves putting money in their pocket. You along with all of the other toothless rednecks, uneducated, worthless scum are about as dumb as a box of rocks. The only thing KBR is good for is saying "are we getting paid to do this for the troops" If I had a penny for everytime I heard that along with the WSI saying "you are making enough money.....", I could have gone home after the first month debt free and bought my own island somehwere. Got to be kidding me, KBR, you, serving you country, comparing that to what the REAL troops do everyday!!!! You should be drug out in the street and shot. NONE OF US over here do a 1/3 of what our troops do or put up with. So anyone who says or believes that can goto H---!!!! None of us CIVILIANS are here to serve our country or here so our kids do not have to be here 20 yrs from now, that is BS, and all of you know it. If it were a soldier saying that, I would buy it, I would even buy it if an Iraqi civilian said it to me about our troops, but myself, WSI, KBR, or anyone that works for them says it they are idiots. I came here for one reason......Money and IF there was sommehting I could do for the troops I would do what I can just to try and help, not expect am I getting paid to do it. Most of the time all they want is someone to talk to or hang out with.
    See this is what happens when you give someone that is a complete idiot a computer and show them a thing or two, they think they can do anything with it and they screw that up as well. Besides, MJrayn or whomever, if you work for KBR why are you posting on a FD website, run out of donuts to eat and money to charge someone for a piece of paper or something?

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    pickheadaxe....its a shame you feel that way...but than maybe your the type of person that I referred to in my earlier post...

    B]and yes I know people that work for WSI that I used to work with in the states that are "Lackey's"[/B]


    your attitude is exactly the impression I have gotten from the majority of WSI employess...no wonder most people that work for WSI over here talk so much trash about there fellow employees....


    But than again I don't know you so I won't begin to judge you...As far as you insulting me or KBR or WSI for that matter...your opinion is exactly that, your opinion......I won't act like a child and bash someone because of there opinion...everyones entitled..

    Got to be kidding me, KBR, you, serving you country, comparing that to what the REAL troops do everyday!!!! You should be drug out in the street and shot. NONE OF US over here do a 1/3 of what our troops do or put up with. So anyone who says or believes that can goto H---!!!! None of us CIVILIANS are here to serve our country or here so our kids do not have to be here 20 yrs from now, that is BS, and all of you know it.

    You must of misread what I wrote I didnt compare what I do to what the troops do...It's nice to know that all of us contractors over here have such an intelligent and tactful spokesman for us...yea i'm talking about you!!!

    ..it's also nice to know that you are so intelligent that you seem to know so much about how much of an Idiot I am because your right all I do is eat donuts and sell paper....WOW!!!

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    Smile Just remember ...

    One day WE ALL MEET OUR MAKER!

    And NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE ... for absolutely NO REASON, RATIONALIZATION, OR EXCUSE AT ALL!

    DO YOUR OWN THING, MAKE THE MOST OF IT, AND BE SAFE! Aren't you all just trying to do a job you love (who cares about the who, what, where, when, and why)?

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    Originally posted by Rigin1
    The people I admire and pray for are those that signed up to protect our country for minimal pay and got sent to that hellhole and are doing things most of us would to scared to do.
    The people I admire and pray for are those that signed up to protect our country for minimal pay and got sent to Iraq for no good reason by the idiot in the White House instead. (While I also pray for the ones who signed up later knowing that they were going to Iraq, I can't say as I admire them nearly as much.)

    As for WSI, I seriously considered applying but while the money that they were offering might well have justified the conditions in Iraq, it damn sure didn't come close to justifying leaving my family to fend for itself for a year while I was gone.

    To any firefighter in Iraq I say, "Good luck and hang in there!" But I'll be damned if I'm going to feel sorry for any one of them who claims s/he didn't know exactly what s/he was getting into.

    (In case you haven't guessed, count me as one in favor of a seperate forum for contract firefighters abroad.)
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    Question Who asked for you to feel sorry?

    Because the guys complain that WSI hasn't got their ***** together ... doesn't mean they're complaining for YOUR sympathy ... they're complaining for something to be done about it! How is NOT wanting to sit on their asses vs. wanting the right gear and equipment to do their job complaining?! And they chose to be "informative" for others ... it's called, "looking-out" ... and weighing "pros and cons". If you don't know exactly WHAT was provided by WSI via "information or contract" then how can you say we know what we got ourselves into?! And as far as CHOOSING to be away from families ... leaving us to fend for ourselves (which is VERY OVER-DRAMATIC statement) ... was NOT a decision made OVERNIGHT ... but again, that's OUR decision, OUR sacrifice, for OUR reasons! FYI: My husband doesn't miss A THING while he's gone ... technology is INCREDIBLE! And we're VERY close ... talk more NOW than we did while he was here! Missing him ... makes me love him more!

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    Default Here's an idea

    I would suggest that to take the venom out of these negative posters and not allow them to continue to feed their anger, we simply reply with a two word statement……
    I disagree

    And then move on.
    That way it stays where it should, informative for those who want information.

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    Exclamation factsaboutIraq

    How is "Seriously enough Iraq threads" supposed to be informative? Tacoma knew exactly what he was asking for when he started this ... which is why, he was even prepared for "retaliation"?! We're ALL adults ... if you can't take it, don't dish it out!? If you don't like the topic, don't read it!? So, we've vented, we've said our peace, and even requested a separate forum ... I think we've moved on! So now, what's this thread to be about? Continuous venting about not wanting "Iraq threads" ... that'll get boring too after a few pages ... Tacoma, what to talk about now???
    Where's the next "fire"?

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    For some odd reason I feel the need to apologize. I guess I judged and I should not have. Does not mean that I have changed my veiw any.
    Simply stated, if you would have said " I am here supporting my troops, country....." or whatever, I might have been a little easier. Serving your country is eaxactly what our brave men and women do over here everyday. NONE of us have to do the herrendous things they do or put up with 1/3 of what they do. So, to me sir, and a good many others, you saying you serve your country by working for KBR/WSI is a complete insult and actually degrades our militaries intelligence. Do not sit there and say that by eating donuts and charging people for services that you are serving your country, supporting, is even a stretch, but tat is what it is, not serving.
    So I was wrong to jump the gun and say things I should not, but I am sorry, anyone over here working as as CIVILIAN is not serving their country. I do not care who you are.
    As far as the money thing........NONE of us would be here if it were not for the money. If so then you are saying that you would take this job for 25k a year and pay taxes on all of it.
    Ever heard the saying, "you cannot BS a BSer" Well buddy, WSI did a number on several of us over here, you are now where close to being able to BS me. Serve my country and did not do it for the money. This whole thing is about money. SO to say you are here for any other reason in nonsense. Either that or you were not qualified to get a job back in the states anywhere.

    Something to think about...............

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    I have read enough of this horse crap. If you dont like it dont click on the link. That will solve all of your problems. I have seen numerouse threads that dont need to be on firehouse. There is nothing wrong with a couple of threads about Iraq. I do agree some of the threads about Iraq are stupid,there are some such as the thread that sandboxffwife basically started are very helpfull to the us in Iraq. So stop whynning about a couple of threads and get a life.

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    Default The future....

    If you look at the following info concerning the Iraq threads..

    1. Number of threads
    2. Number of replys
    3. Number of views

    You will see that they are very popular, good or bad they bring attention and hits.

    If the fire service world its becoming well known. WSI, with the help of the internet, has created at least in the federal fire service world, the most complained about organization i have encountered in my 12 years of federal service. I have never seen anything like it. I can't speak for the municipal sectors.

    I will admit, i will continue to follow the treads if for nothing but the entertainment value.

    I agree with pickheadax to some degree. Most come for the money, but, there is some opportunity so do good for the Army i'm sure, but serving your country is not the main reason most go. Once in-country, I am sure that the patriotic spirit does get to some and reasons for staying may include that feeling of pride, being around young soldiers can do that to you.

    Like it or not, and i know there is almost nothing one person can do to prevent it, but a negative lagacy is being created right here, and its being done by the firefighters, not WSI. It is the buzz among at least federal departments. We have had new people come over from stateside DOD departments and they follow the threads too. Like it or not, i think the negative posts have backfired. WSI is not being hurt, WSI is not a person, but there are persons who have to list WSI Iraq on their resumes. Like it or not, whether its me or not, when that resume is presented, that reputaion will come to mind.

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    Turnout ~ Out of 500+ firefighters working in Iraq a hand full of them post. Your saying your company would toss a resume because it says WSI FIREFIGHTER on it? A public FORUM is what YOUR company uses to decide if a firefighter should be hired or not? Please let me know if I'm not understanding what you are saying. If I'm not misreading, please let us know what company you work for so the guys won't apply to a company that sound much worse than WSI. Nobody should be judged on what is being said good or bad from a public forum. What if the HANDFULL of people did not even work for WSI and were just causing entertainment. Its just crazy to think any company would work like that and no one should work for a company that did.

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