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    Excellent video. Nothing short of what's expected from the FDNY. And a knowledge news guy, too. I was surprised. He seemed to know their operations pretty well.
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    man, that was cool. or hot. whatever.

    I love watching videos like that, but I get so depressed seeing all the firefighters running around. I wanna be one of them
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    oooOOooo.. I'm goin' in early today. I like a good rip snortin' fire.

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    Very interesting.

    Most FDNY members who saw this video were quite critical of the operation.

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    It seemed to me that it took a long time to get the aerials erected...

    Maybe they need some viagra!



    So, what was the final report? Anybody traped? Any civi injuries? And FF injuries?

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    It certainly was an interesting video to watch..

    I am not going to comment on operations good or bad, but it did seem by the 'visible' point of entry that FDNY crews probably encountered a fair amount of required travel distance and undoubtedly plenty of locked doors before they got to the area of heaviest involvment.. and judging by the amount of smoke coming from that POE shortly after it was opened, visibility may have been a tad difficult inside.

    Again great video, would like to read different points of view about how others may have performed ops on that same building, but am not looking for any Monday morning quarterbacking on the crews in that video .

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    This was interesting, very interesting. The reporter certainly knew what was going on. Looks like they have pretty good response times.

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    Not to be critical of the FDNY, being a vollie who sees a fire once every 3 years myself, but what was up with that aerial? Did the operator put it through the flames in the window or was that just the viewing angle? Also, what were they doing with that bucket ladder? Was it there JIC people were trapped?

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    Question Little Help

    Maybe we fight fires a little different out here on the west coast, but the thing that comes to my mind is this: Why not use a 2 1/2 smooth bore from the ground to at least get some steam conversion and get a little bit of knockdown before the whole building goes up. Obviously one must be careful not to push the fire further into the building, but get some water on the fire!!!!! When the interior crews get inside, let them take care of business. Somebody please educate me if I'm being to harsh. And I agree, seemed to take a while to get the sticks in the air.

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    The FDNY has a system that works for the FDNY. Anyone not involved in that system will never have a deep understanding of how or why they do things the way they do.

    It works for them. It probably wouldn't work in your city. Every city I have ever visited does things a little differently-even though we think that it is all standard.

    I know the video and have personally witnessed the FDNY in action more times than I can remember. Once I learned how and why they operate it made perfect sense to me.

    This is not to be critical of anyone - but watching the FDNY and trying to apply how someone else fights fires to the brothers from the FDNY is simply an excercise in futility.

    If you have a question about how they operate there are a lot of brothers there that are patient in explaining why they do what they do. In the end if any of us saw any videotape from any department we all could find something to question - the reason is that firefighting is not an "absolute" profession. One way does not work everytime nor in every way.

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    Most FDNY members who saw this video were quite critical of the operation.
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    Jeez, they had a 2 1/2 line in operation on the third floor of a bulding, with a water supply established, 2 sticks up and a roofman working on the roof less than 5 minutes after arrival (according to the time on the video) and you guys are not impressed? We got BCs who couldn't even THINK of how to do all that in that amount of time! Good on you guys for setting a high standard of performance.

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    It seemed to me that the second in aerial (rear mount) got blocked at first from making good access to the front of the fire building (what we saw as front). Then it also appeared that the engineer had some difficulty in deploying his aerial. This made it difficult for the roofman to get there.

    One thing though...the engine crew did an awesome job. It appeared that they had some pretty pi** poor conditions from point of entry. Also the building layout was probably pretty difficult as well. They got in there pretty quick and put a good stop on the fire...GOOD JOB. Looked like it would have been pretty warm.

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    weve allways been taught to never ever put water on a fire like that from the outside . you will burn your guys inside and or push the thing towards uninvolved areas . they often do venting with the tips of the truck co.s . which we never do . so it shows how things are different in areas. all in all , the overall time to knock it down was pretty damn good . i think that most places would be more than happy with that knockdown time . here we were afforded the luxury of seeing things from the initial arrival of co.s. and what may have seemed longer than it probably was because we were sitting in chairs watching . rural booksmart townies will pick that scene apart though without ever having pulled up to that scenario. and if they did it would be the ol "career fire" ,, this might be the biggest thing that ticks me right off about the board somtimes ,, damn knowitalls that knowlittle , but some article they read. sorry had to vent .

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    Originally posted by bfd190
    this might be the biggest thing that ticks me right off about the board somtimes ,, damn knowitalls that knowlittle , but some article they read. sorry had to vent .
    I would like to hear what the FDNY critics had to say...

    But in any case..

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    what was up with that aerial
    If you look closely you will see the aerial is trying to get an angle around overhead wires. A long angle a short one and then underneath. none worked out, welcome to Gotham. The rearmount was repositioned about one minute into the tape and got the corner of the building so the windows of two sides of the building were accessable.

    I have to agree with you 229E/Lt. It appears that too much time took place from the time at apparatus arrived to when you saw the lines going inside.
    I never said that. I would say the engines did an outstanding job here. Note the second due nozzleman drops his folds when he sees the first length is under the door and frees it up. This was the best move on the tape.

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    i'll i know is that they had a fire on the 3rd floor of a 3 story building, and pretty much knocked it down in under 30 minutes. in my town, at 30 minutes your lucky if there is a line in the door yet (just joking!).

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    Looked pretty good to me. Aggressive interior attack, no one throwing water from the outside, all the fire was driven out the windows followed by white smoke and steam. Thats the result we are all looking for isn't it?

    Too much second guessing going on here, everyone needs to concentrate more on critiquing their own fires and less on worrying about others
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    Damn it!!! Stop being so civil!!!

    1 Wrong SCBA. They should have had Drager
    2 Wrong Helmet. They should have had Pheonix 1500
    3 Wrong Brand of Truck. They should have had Pierce.
    4 They have no boster reels on their trucks, wrong wrong wrong.
    5 They didnt have fire shelters on.
    6 There is one guy, he has a organge scochlite sticker on his helmet, there should be only lime green
    7 They used smoothborecombyfognozzle when they should have used a fogcombysmoothborenozzle.
    8 Dont run with sharp objects!
    9 I can tell form looking at one of the antenas from the radios that they are not P95 interdigi compatable.
    10 They ignored presidential DHS directive 472 WMD mass terrorist escape cluase proticals on their extinqueshment SOP

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    lol

    Dräger? *throws up*
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    Wow, the difference between two Cities... I Have seen many similar fires in many similar Buildings and the difference in Firefighting is incredible.

    In London that would have been a Two Pump response, immediately followed by an additional Two Pumps of because of the inevitable multiple 999 (911) calls. 16-20 personnel depending on how many they were riding.

    A Chief would have been paged on the Multi calls but may not have attended. until it was 'made up'... I usually go if they have recevied more than 4 calls as it is likely to be a 'Make up' and I'd go on anyway.

    Upon the arrival of the first machines, the IC would have 'Made Pumps Four' conforming he needed the 4 being sent and probably at that time of Morning added a 'Persons Reported' because people may have been trapped...(this just roles out an ambulance to a fire with persons suspected involved...you see this a lot on the WOF reports even when no one is in there, a good precaution) On the confirmed 4 pump call the Chief would now attend and a higher chief paged to let him know the ADO (Batt Chief) has gone on. A Fire Command unit and Fire Investigation would also roll now.

    The first arriving IC would stay downstairs, the Officer on the other Pump would take a 2 man SCBA Crew with a High Pressure Hosereel (booster) with others feeding it in up to the fire floor. They would start an attack on the fire from the tank supply while the others and subsequent Pumps laid out a inch and three quarter jet to go in with another 2 man team. Other SCBA wearers would search for casualties.

    Water would have been on the fire within a minute of arrival, a larger jet would have followed within a couple of minutes.... we call this initial High Pressure line a 'quick Water' attack. Very Popular in the UK, Europe and Down Under.

    At an absolute push, this may have gone to a 6 Pump Fire, (about 30 Personnel) again look at WOF we only go to 6 Pumps usually on a very large domestic or commercial...most (80%) domestics that stay within a room don't even go beyond the first 2 Pumps, if they are well alight like in the video, they will go to 4 Pumps, you will see on WOF we have a few of these per day on average, although that one would be a 'higher end' 4 Pump Fire with 100% of the whole apartment alight.

    Interestingly, look at the amount of Engines... probably about 4 on a second alarm?? I can't remember for sure... (Any FDNY wanna confirm) but that is the same as us... We don't have Truckies, so we wouldn't have had those 2 Aerials there, or how ever many came on the 2nd alarm. a Fire Rescue Unit (Rescue Co) would have come on the 8 Pump Make up (8 Pumps if the whole top floor was alight) if it ever got that big.

    I Have spent time with FDNY and seen them operate, and have a respect for them that comes from a UK perspective where many other Brigades in the UK 'raise and eyebrow' at how we operate. Although we all operate much more similarly there are a few LFBism's that no one else gets. However, As an experienced Inner city Firefighter, I would not know what to do with all of those Guys on that job.... The Engine Guys would be flat out...the poor old Truckies would be giving me daggers as they stood outside and watched!!!!

    Like I said, so similar but soooo different.

    But, I will say, they got that Two and a Half flowing pretty quickly considering the way they lay out from 'Dry'... As usual, practice makes perfect.
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    You make an interesting point Steve.

    The use of Booster Reels (especialy in the High pressure example like you have) can potentialy get watter on the fire faster.
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    Originally posted by SamsonFCDES
    You make an interesting point Steve.

    The use of Booster Reels (especialy in the High pressure example like you have) can potentialy get watter on the fire faster.
    Yeah,
    I don't wanna make no big deal here... what has worked well for us for years may not suit everyone, especially with some of your wooden construction, but that Building is very typical of a UK 'Shop and Dwellings' and would definatlely have had a Hosereel pulled while the Hydrant was being set in and the layflat hose layed out.

    But NO WAY am I advocating this as a Hosereel only job. That probably would have been one inch and three quarter jet and two HP Hosereels...

    And as I've stated before, every time I tell a US Firefighter about our 'boosters' they are surprised that we use them so much...then when they vist and have a go...they then understand why we use them... they are incredibly powerful for what they are.
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    Boy I sure do miss watching any New York Dept. in action! This was one hell of a knock down fast especially for the line 2 1/2 that had to be stretched. I don't know about you, but within 5 minutes with the amount of fire showing on arrival and they had a line in operation, venting going on the roof and two aerials up. Down here in the hurricane state most would have lost it and they would have another parking lot. I thought it was a job well done. Great aggressive fire attack!

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    what has worked well for us for years may not suit everyone
    Come to Bracknell in September, I'll be ****in' them all off critiquing their ops.

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