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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


    until that felony is expunged from your record, you forfeit your right to alot of things--including holding a position of public trust. Too bad.
    You know what, I can admit when I was and am wrong. And this may have been a case in which I over reacted taking a little personal.. So with that said I would just like to point out something, when I posted I was not speaking for ALL felonies/misdormienors. I would never think of trying to put a twice convicted arsonist in the house. Or a convicted sex offender in the fire prevention unit, workinmg with kids or the house at all. I also wasnt speaking of a three, four, five, six convicted offender. Also when I mentioned my certs, I wasnt speaking of myself as the most educated person, because I know that CERTS dont compare to nozzle knowledge. I was just using that as an example, that I have since moved on and attained these in my thirst for knowledge. That already said, I would just like to point out something that has already been said a few times. What about the criminals in your own house? What if the chief came in and ran CORIs on all the department and the two top guys got fired because of the results? But they were minor infractions, but still a violation. Also,just because a charge is expunged - that doesn't mean that they are an upstanding citizen and there mind-set is changed. A person who has been convicted of a crime can change there mindset BEFORE the 7-15 yr Expunge limit.


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    So for all those that I did go off on, and those that were offended by my post... My apologies are extended to you..


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    Originally posted by Rescuepimp


    You know what, I can admit when I was and am wrong. And this may have been a case in which I over reacted taking a little personal.. So with that said I would just like to point out something, when I posted I was not speaking for ALL felonies/misdormienors. I would never think of trying to put a twice convicted arsonist in the house. Or a convicted sex offender in the fire prevention unit, workinmg with kids or the house at all. I also wasnt speaking of a three, four, five, six convicted offender. Also when I mentioned my certs, I wasnt speaking of myself as the most educated person, because I know that CERTS dont compare to nozzle knowledge. I was just using that as an example, that I have since moved on and attained these in my thirst for knowledge. That already said, I would just like to point out something that has already been said a few times. What about the criminals in your own house? What if the chief came in and ran CORIs on all the department and the two top guys got fired because of the results? But they were minor infractions, but still a violation. Also,just because a charge is expunged - that doesn't mean that they are an upstanding citizen and there mind-set is changed. A person who has been convicted of a crime can change there mindset BEFORE the 7-15 yr Expunge limit.


    Hence the word Re - ha - bil - i- tate

    So for all those that I did go off on, and those that were offended by my post... My apologies are extended to you..
    and what exactly would a "minor" felony be?

    As I said, if you want to be a FF, DON'T COMMIT A FELONY! Nobody ever committed a felony w/o knowing it.

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    I have a felony arrest that was ended with a misdemeanor conviction for the crime of defending myself with a shotgun after my roommates,man and woman,attacked me with a claw hammer and fists.
    I have no problem with working alongside people who have done their time.If they really have changed their ways,then I'll just treat them like any other guy in the barroom.
    If they are whining about how they don't get a fair shake while continuing the behavior and activities that got them arrested last time,then I won't associate with them at work or away.

    However,if the policy is that felony conviction is a barrier for hiring,there is a reason.Firefighters are supposed to be of high moral character.When we enter someone's home,we are there to put out a fire or keep the residents from dying until they can get to a hospital.We are not there to case the joint for a future visit or to help ourselves to their belongings.

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    In the Commonwealth of Virginia, you can not get an EMS license to do squat, if you have ever been convicted of a felony. Therefore, people who have been convicted of felonies are not hired for any position in the fire service.

    If you have a misdemeanor conviction, you may not get a job or even take a test, depending what it was for. Your application usually will get thrown out. We really do not want you if you have been in trouble with the law; have a bad driving record or employment record. There are too many folks out there that are clean.


    There are other things in life that these folks can apply for other than Firefighter, Police Officer or in the EMS field!
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    I think that the issue is pretty much set - if you have lost the public trust-as in a felony - it is very difficult to gain that trust back. Not impossible but difficult.


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    Within the last year and a half - Two people left New Jersey, went to Virginia and are now members of two departments in Virginia, one of which is a major department. Both are firefighters - both have a felony record.

    That is why I posted the statement earlier about not knowing who is working with you.
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    Don't know if anyone has seen this but it is along the lines of what we are discussing:


    A firefighter candidate who was disqualified from the city's hiring list because of a failed background check received five traffic tickets in Sangamon County between 1993 and 2004, according to court records.

    However, it was not known Thursday whether that was the reason Michael Newman, 30, was cut from the list of prospective hires for the Springfield Fire Department. The city says it cannot give Newman an explanation without a court order.

    Newman was the only black candidate among the top 18 applicants on the hiring list for the fire department, which currently has little minority representation.

    Newman said he'd be surprised if the tickets were responsible for his disqualification.

    "Then I would wonder what everyone else's records look like," he said. "Five tickets over an 11-year span. ... I've worked with and I've known people that have had five tickets over a three-month span."

    Newman also noted that his background, including his driving record, has been examined in the past.

    "If (the tickets) are a red flag, it should've popped up before," he said.

    Newman was one of 351 candidates who passed physical and written tests to become firefighters and were placed on a hiring list that was certified earlier this year by the city's Civil Service Commission. Such lists are whittled further as the candidates are subjected to background investigations and psychological tests

    Candidates who fail either the background or psychological portions of the hiring process are cut from the list and sent a letter notifying them as much. However, city officials say recent court rulings prohibit them from explaining to candidates why they were cut.

    Newman said he's now in the process of obtaining a court order.

    "That's the only recourse that the city leaves me. It's not my first choice. I'd rather someone be strong enough to say, 'Hey, this is the reason,' so I'm not having to pay legal debts," he said.

    The background checks look at medical history, education, military service, finances, prior employment, vehicular information, criminal history and references, said Ernie Slottag, spokesman for Mayor Tim Davlin.

    "That's not city policy; that was established by the courts," he said. He stressed that Davlin has nothing to do with determining who is or is not cut from the hiring lists.

    In 2003, three firefighter applicants were disqualified because of issues with their background and psychological tests. They said the real reason they had been passed over was that they were involved with the military and could be called to active duty, meaning they wouldn't be immediately available to become firefighters.



    Five of the applicants had been disqualified as the result of psychological tests, and the judge said the commission was entitled to rely on its expert's assessment. The other four were removed because of findings in their background investigations. The issues ranged from applicants who had many traffic violations to questions about work history.

    Newman said he does not have a criminal background. He has worked as a correctional officer and a youth counselor, both of which required background checks. He is a U.S. Navy veteran and held top-secret clearances when he served in Bosnia. He said he had passed two background checks within the past six months for Wells Fargo, his current employer.
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    The real big question for the residents of City of Bridgeport will Earl King Jr be a good firefighter for the City of Bridgeport Fire Department ? Letís check his background out.

    Earl King Jr is a Felon that was arrested for sale 50 gram of crack cocaine

    Earl King Jr has least 10 to 15 misdemeanors for sale of lot of crack cocaine.

    Earl King Jr was a big part of Russell and Adrian Peeler killer gang.

    The crack cocaine Earl King Jr sold result in many deaths in the City of Bridgeport plus a lot of injurys to City of Bridgeport Police officers.

    The money that was made from Earl King Jr selling Crack cocaine gave Russell and Adrian Peeler the resources go on killing cattle raid.


    The Russell and Adrian Peeler killed the following people

    Karen Clarke, 30, 7-year-old boy Leroy "B.J." Brown Jr, Rudolph Snead Jr.


    I would say no way in hell.


    The City of Bridgeport Civil Service Commission wrote a check they canít cash. They got there felons now they will now have to hire all 600 Candidates on the oral exam plus 1500 Candidates who failed the written test plus all of the convicted sex offender, murderers, rapist, Arson who were turn away from the Hiring Notice for the hiring clearly states (No Candidate will be considered for appointment that has been convicted of a felony, or is of bad moral character) and (Candidates must pass the background investigation conducted by the Bridgeport Police Department)
    With the two groups of people with Lawsuitís right now pending in federal court who are seeking close to $200 Millions of Dollars plus the one my lawyers are filing plus many many more on the horizon the City of Bridgeport will be on its way to the Bankruptcy Court ten time over. This is very very sad City of Bridgeport Civil Service Commission got there Felons Firefighters now and also rumors they got pay off $$$ from drug dealers for granting the felons jobs.
    The city of Bridgeport will now be in Bankruptcy Court.
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    PETJACK:

    No offense intended but I could barely read what you wrote.

    As to the situation 95% of firefighters would not support hiring a felon. Bridgeport should not allow the person to be hired and I doubt they will now.

    By all means seek whatever it is you want in compensation - but "breaking" the city only hurts the citizens-not the lousy bums who make the rules. Still - I would be furious if I was on a list and some nitwit with a lengthy record was allowed on - that is BullS###.
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    i changed my mind
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    Default Re: The Floodgate have open City of Bridgeport to hire Felons as Firefighters

    Originally posted by petjack77
    The approval followed pleas from Donald Day, a retired city fire captain and director of the Northeast Region of the International Association of Black Professional Fire Fighters, and Ron Mackey, president of the Firebirds Society, an organization of black city firefighters.
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    Petjack,
    I understand that you are angry. While I agree with not hiring felons at the same time thinking that the city will hire all of those people is a bit much. I think you might be a little out over your skis. Like I said though I understand your frustrations.

    When fire departments do their hiring they are looking for the best of the best. Firefighters are held to the utmost trust in a community. I canít remember the last time I locked my locker. I have gone through shifts with the door wide open. Matter of fact one of the best ways to see who is working the shift is to see whose lockers are wide open. In the inner area of the firehouse wallets and cell phones are thrown about. We have open mailboxes that have all kinds of personal effects sticking out. If lunch is ordered instead of made change can sometimes be left sitting out for hours before the rightful person takes it. Are we deranged? No. I donít think any of us think twice. This is how we also act when we are called upon to perform our services. Our fire station is our home. We rely on the chief of the department and the town to make sure opening are filled with not only qualified candidates, but also more importantly candidates that ďwill fit it.Ē Meaning will we get along with them. Is this person a team member?

    Like I said I understand that you are mad. Just be patient and move on if you must.
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    To the person that started this thread, you wouldn't happen to be the guy who is also suing the City of Norwalk Fire Dept. are you?

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    Well, I will go ahead and state the obvious. This issue is about race. If this issue had nothing to do with Race, the IABPFF and the Firebirds would not have been mentioned.

    This is another example of "Gimme something because I am a minority, no matter what I did in my past." Screw that, felony convictions? Sorry, no job.

    And for the guy who thinks not having five tickets in 11 years is bad....I have been driving for 13 years and guess how many tickets I have .....ZERO! five tickets in 11 years is pretty bad consdering the amount of warnings given out and sparse speed enforcement. Don't try to sue for something you don't deserve because you are a S--tbag. It's not society's fault that you made bad decisions.

    Sorry Mr. King, but 7-11 is hiring, I hear they don't do background checks.
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    Originally posted by KyleWickman


    When fire departments do their hiring they are looking for the best of the best. Firefighters are held to the utmost trust in a community. I canít remember the last time I locked my locker. I have gone through shifts with the door wide open.

    I really do wish that fire departments were looking for the best of the best. My first hand experience is quite the opposite. Cities spend all of their time trying to be politically correct, they have quota system's in place etc.. They spend their time, and money simply trying match the percentage that minorities make up in departments, with the actual city make up. They alter hiring practice's in order to do so, in other words they lower standards to meet this objective. The end result is you get nothing close to the best. You get losers, slugs, criminals and those who just don't care. They put us as firefighters at risk, as well as the public. In short, you get a bunch of tax robbers who could care less about anything or anyone, that is, except for themselves.
    Some of our engine house's you can't keep your locker doors open, if you do, your fellow "brothers" will take from you. The last thing I want to have to do is worry about my co-workers rifling through my personal items. The last thing I want to do is work with a convicted felon.
    The last thing any civillian should want, is to have a convicted felon in their home during their time of crisis. The last thing we need as firefighters/ems, is civillians to be worried about us stealing from them, in their time of crisis.
    You do not have a right to be a firefighter, it is a priveledge. It is no violation of any person's civil rights to prevent convicted felons from being employed as a firefighter. Speeding tickets, on a regular basis, along with multiple drunk driving offenses are in the same bracket, as well. They are character indicator's. I didn't say one, or even two such offense's. I used the term multiple.
    We are put in precarious situations quite often, we need the public trust and we need integrity on our part. It put's our ability to function in peril if either of those are missing.
    Keep convicted felons off the job.
    Keep altered hiring practice's out as well. You really do get what you pay for.
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    petjack77,

    Save your money on lawyer fees and drop this. Like you really had a chance to get a job when you were ranked 206th on the list. Why dont you get back in the saddle and try again, and take this time to study a bit more. Sounds to me like you are trying to get something (a job) for nothing (not scoring high enough).
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    And for the guy who thinks not having five tickets in 11 years is bad....I have been driving for 13 years and guess how many tickets I have .....ZERO! five tickets in 11 years is pretty bad consdering the amount of warnings given out and sparse speed enforcement. Don't try to sue for something you don't deserve because you are a S--tbag.
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    So if you get one ticket in the next 20 years is it okay to call you a shi#bag?

    I mean I agree that the dregs that pop up should not be allowed to join the fire department. In addition you must have a low opinion of our military - if you think a traffic ticket makes a person bad then you are urinating on a lot of brother firefighters by your statement.
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    Originally posted by Station2Capt
    petjack77,

    Save your money on lawyer fees and drop this. Like you really had a chance to get a job when you were ranked 206th on the list. Why dont you get back in the saddle and try again, and take this time to study a bit more. Sounds to me like you are trying to get something (a job) for nothing (not scoring high enough).
    I have to disagree. The very fact that the City of Bridgeport is even considering hiring a convicted felon is a slap in the face for all of those people who took the exam in hopes of getting a job as a firefighter. Petjack77 may be low on the list, but the fact of the matter is the City Of Bridgeport is knuckling under to two minority groups because...

    a: the candidate who wished to get appointed happens to be a member of the same racial group as they are.

    b: The candidate has a criminal record... he also happens to be of African American descent.

    Do you really think that Donald Day, a retired city fire captain and director of the Northeast Region of the International Association of Black Professional Fire Fighters, and Ron Mackey, president of the Firebirds Society, an organization of black city firefighters have the best interests of the City in mind?

    If you do, I have oceanfront property in Bridge Canyon, Arizona for sale...
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    Call me what you want, I try to follow the laws of the road and not speed. The most I have ever been cited for was a non-working taglight. 5 tickets is alot, I don't care how many years it has accumulated.

    Do you want some maniac who has five speeding tickets chauffering you around in a 10-ton Piece of Fire Apparatus?????
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    The most I have ever been cited for was a non-working taglight.
    Wow - but you have been cited - you should resign for the good of the department.

    Do you want some maniac who has five speeding tickets chauffering you around in a 10-ton Piece of Fire Apparatus?
    No! In fact I don't want a maniac with NO tickets driving around - but I see your point.

    I am just trying to point out that there is a huge difference between a felony and a traffic ticket - now-a lot of traffic tickets indicate a problem. But a single ticket???

    BTW - I have been a conservative since 1980.







    Do you really think that Donald Day, a retired city fire captain and director of the Northeast Region of the International Association of Black Professional Fire Fighters, and Ron Mackey, president of the Firebirds Society, an organization of black city firefighters have the best interests of the City in mind?
    First the fact that the IABPF exists at all is proof enough of the double standards they expect. They exist simply to cause problems.
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