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    Does anyone know of any state where a firefighter does not have to have state mandated training in order to serve as a firefighter?

    A friend just e-mailed me about an hour ago with this exact question. I am certain I know the answer but don't want to respond without asking first.

    Note: He is asking because he is writing an article.
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    Colorado for one.

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    Arkansas, sort of. I say "sort of" for a couple of reasons.

    First, we finally beefed up standards for career firefighters a couple of years ago. Now, to be a career firefighter, you must complete a state-approved fire academy. However, there are still no training requirements on the volunteer side.

    However, we have a program where insurance monies collected by the state are turned back to local departments to assist in funding. To qualify for that funding, a certain percentage (if not all) of your members must have completed a 16-hour Introduction to Firefighting class, a 16-hour Protective Equipment class and a 4-hour Wildland Fire class. So, while there is no mandated training for volunteer departments, most all of them require the 36 hours listed so that the FD can receive aid from the state.

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    Louisiana.....but I understand that may change soon....
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    Thanks for the information - I didn't know about Arkansas. Thanks guys!
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    Iowa is pushing for it

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    As DM said Louisiana currently has no mandated training, but, just last week the State Firefighters Assosciation at it's yearly convention voted to move along to it's legislative committee a standard that would require a roughly 30-hour training program (developed by LSU Fire training) for a firefighter to go interior. It covers several areas including styreams. airpacks, ventilation, forcible entry and as live burn component. It is intended as a primer for firefighter 1 (and the hours can be transferred when they take FF1) and a way for the smaller, rural departments with limited access to training to get firefighters on the line faster with a required amount of training. They then have 3 years to complete FF1 or else they will need to repeat the basic course. It will not, if passed by the legislature, be required for folks doing outside ops such as driving, pump ops, water supply, rehab and support. LSU will provide train-the-trainer workshops targeted at the small departments toi get a large number of instructors into the field, which currently is a problem with FF1.

    My personal opinion is this a good first step. the reality of the situation here is that if you require FF1 , with the current lack of training resources statewide and the lack of instructors in the rural areas, many departments will shut down and simply NOT be replaced with paid resources, but instead will be covered by another far away rural volunteer department. This program provides a reasonable, required amount of training for departments that fight a very limited number of fires yearly and will not have thier membership take FF1, for a number of reasons (money, distance to training, lack of in-house resources, etc). I have been pushing for something like this in rural areas for a long time, and have discussed it many times on this forum.I think it is a good first step, though I know there will be those, some who have never worked in a rural area with very limited state resources to provide training and some who just feel diffrently about the subject. This training provides the basics of safe fireground operation and provides for a standard that all departments will be able to meet (ASSUMING THE STATE TRAINING AGENCY MEETS THIER END OF THE DEAL AND PROVIDES ADEQUATE TRAINING RESOURCES).

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    I believe Pennsylvania just raised the hours of FFI from 90 to 160 hours.
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    Paid Firefighter: 400 Hours Initial and 100 Hours a year.
    Volunteer Firefighter: 150 Hours Initial and 24 Hours a year.

    State incentive pay increases with over 50% of a volunteer department being IFSAC I. All members of a paid department must maintain the 100 hours a year or all memebers of the department loose their incentive pay. Incentive pay for the volunteers is a payment to the department.

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    FF1 in NY by my class schedual is 78 hrs.
    This is my opinion and in no way represtents the opinion of my department.

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    New Jersey.... I don't think they closed the loophole yet that grandfathered you if you were active prior to 19xx (I forget the year).

    You can't get in new like this but it sure put a lot of guys out there with a certificate in hand and not a lick of training and some of these guys weren't getting much on the job either since they ran like 35 runs a year.

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    Wyoming has no mandatory required training for structural firefighters
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    It may suprise some, but Maryland does not have a specific law that says "You must have this, in order to do that" For Fire and Rescue. EMS is another story, I ain't going there. Individual Counties have Minimum Requirements, and they seem to be on the same track, with minor allowances for differences in operations from Urban to Rural and back. We have a State Fire Training Agency, and all Training is Referenced to the appropriate NFPA Standard. We also use the National Pro Board System as well. I'm not sure that a State Standard is a good idea, I prefer more control at the County level. I also question the wisdom of different Training requirements for Volunteer and Career folks. When someone is learning to put out a Fire, what does a paycheck, or lack thereof, have to do with it? The Fire is not impressed, and I'm not either.
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    Texas breaks it into two divisions...one regulated by the Texas Commission on Fire Protection (TCFP) (career personnel) and the State Fire Fighters and Fire Marshal's Association (SFFMA) (vollies). The TCFP curriculum is required for all full timers. The SFFMA is not required, but recommended.

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    Tennessee has no mandatory training requirements for firefighters.
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    Originally posted by ullrichk
    Tennessee has no mandatory training requirements for firefighters.
    You meant, Illinois has no mandatory training requirements for firefighters.
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    It wasn't all that long ago that Tennessee had no requirements to establish a fire department - other than claiming to be one!

    Does anyone else see a problem with having ZERO minimum training?
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    Peetmoss...FF1 in NY (at least Suffolk County) is not the "real" FF1 -- you don't learn all the codes stuff. So, if you move out of state to say MD or CT where "longer" versions of FF1 are taught, your FF1 probably won't be good....I took the real version in CT and got the National Certificate. Some folks in Suffolk Cty were lead to believe they could take their "FF1" and go places with it.
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    As far as I know, RI has no requirements. Most paid departments have their own training classes. The state is in the process of building an academy in West Greenwich.

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    I find it kinda nuts that there are some states that have no training requirments mandated before your suited up and told to go put out that fire. I wounder how many LODD were caused by FF's not having any training.
    This is my opinion and in no way represtents the opinion of my department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peetmoss
    I find it kinda nuts that there are some states that have no training requirments mandated before your suited up and told to go put out that fire. I wounder how many LODD were caused by FF's not having any training.
    Probably more than we'd ever like to admit....what is even scarier is that firefighters are actually fighting to prevent their states from having mandatory training requirements. Atleast that's what happened here in Iowa.

    I find it funny that to provide emergency medical care, you have to go through state/national mandated training, maintain continuing education and recertify.

    To go into a hazardous environment, there is no training requirement, and even if you do complete Firefighter I, there is no continuing education requirement to maintain it.

    Makes a person go HMMMMMMM?

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    It wasn't all that long ago that Tennessee had no requirements to establish a fire department - other than claiming to be one!
    And it would still be that way, if it were up to some of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods
    I also question the wisdom of different Training requirements for Volunteer and Career folks. When someone is learning to put out a Fire, what does a paycheck, or lack thereof, have to do with it? The Fire is not impressed, and I'm not either.

    I've also questioned this. You being from P.G. County know just as well as I do, that a lot of volunteer companies in the U.S. see more fire than a lot of career agencies. So, why should training standards for volunteer agencies be any less than those for career?

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    The State of West Virginia gives the WV State Fire Commission the authority to regulate that sort of thing...

    We are required, before being allowed to respond on dept. apparatus or be in ANY hot-zone, to have completed WV Firefighter 1, Haz-mat Awarness, and Basic First Aid/CPR.
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    Originally posted by Peetmoss
    I find it kinda nuts that there are some states that have no training requirments mandated before your suited up and told to go put out that fire. I wounder how many LODD were caused by FF's not having any training.
    Now it's getting ticklish. The original question regarded STATE FIRE MARSHAL requirements. Most of these states have none. HOWEVER....

    OSHA requires you to have the appropriate trainging to do your job. Sometimes that is left up to the ambiguous "authority having jurisdiction." BUT, you must have training in wearing a respirator (29CFR1910). The rule is very specific: fit testing, medical eval, quarterly training on use. Our SCBA are specifically mentioned in the rule. So is 2-in 2-out. You must have training in blood borne pathogens, and special hazards response (Confined space, trench, vertical, and hazmat). The special hazards training for us is very simple: we don't have the equipment or the training to mitigate, so secure the area, obtain equipment, and wait for special teams. It doens't have to be real elaborate.

    Don't tell me you're not an OSHA state. Neither is Illinois. But if you have no OSHA plan in your state, it is because your state has created it's own workplace safety agency (in Illinois it's the Dept of Labor). You state's safety agency MUST adopt OSHA rules AS A MINIMUM.

    To go into a hazardous environment, there is no training requirement, and even if you do complete Firefighter I, there is no continuing education requirement to maintain it.
    OOOOHHHH yes, there is. It's federal law.
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