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    Default 2005 AFG grading questions

    First of all I would like to say that there is much wisdom in these Firehouse Forums . The talent and knowledge just amazes me !! Thanks,each one of you, for what you do for the betterment of the Fire Service nationwide!!!So, does any one know if in the first computer grading , the application number being high make a great difference in a low or high score?? We are one for five in grant awards . We recieved an award in 2003 , which is now closed out since we submitted the 2005 application . Could this be a factor in the computer grading by having an open grant (the 2003) ?? We didnt even get through the first cut in the 2004 AFG . We managed the 2003 award in a timely fashion , meeting every deadline but it took 8 months for them to send back the close out letter . The 2004 application was read over by several folks and they could see no reason why we didnt even make it through the computer scoring. Just trying to figure out why and what the computer picks up on. Well , back to mowing grass in this hot southeastern NC sun !!! May God bless you all and stay safe!!!


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    BSChief,
    Well, between some of your earlier apps and later several things happened with the management of the program within DHS/FEMA, etc. As you mentioned it took them 8 months to respond back to you. Now the Region that NC is in has 3 RFPS (Regional Fire Protection Specialist). These three men & women (in our case, 1 man, 2 women) are responsible for all the reports, workshops, phone calls, problems within the region, etc. Our region covers, if I recall, correctly - NC, SC, FL, MISS, KENT, GA, AL - I may be missing a state in there. So, I think prior to 03 or 04 there were only 1 or 2 folks doing our region. So, you had an extremely large backlog.

    Back to your question on the scoring...your application number comes from the ACTUAL number (in numerical order) you are based on application. So a later application (down to the wire) will give you a higher number. Nothing to do with a magical award number. Your award number then includes that same app. number and the year of application.

    If you wanna shoot me a PM or email - I'd love to know where in NC you're at, and some specifics to your '04 app. that was turned down. I've been working on these grants for years...and am a NC gal! and boy is it hot today!
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    Thanks for the info Dixie !!! In the 2003 award , the # was 8585 and all other applications ranged from 17000s to 18000s. Well thanks again and be safe out there!!! Good luck to all on 2005 awards!!!

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    Just a quick note before I have to go set up for the Hold'em tourney I'm hosting...

    Chief - you can have 2 open grants at one time because of the overlap of awards and application period for the next year being within 12 months of each other. The computer scoring is done in the week after the app period closes, and most folks will still be taking care of business since the performance period of 12 months starts the day of the official notification come to you. Depending on what you're buying it could take all 12 months to get it all in. That being the case, it's not a problem to ask for an extension, they give them all fo the time.

    Scoring. If you haven't done so yet, swing over to the MemberZone and read my 2nd article. That will give the gist of how the computer scoring works. Of course, no one that knows exactly how everything is weighted can ever say so, but 1000s of applications later, I think I have a decent handle on it. You may very well have addressed many of the priorities stated in the Program Guidance for 2004, but the simple fact is, with 1000s of applications being submitting, and over half not passing the computer, you can't just meet priorities, you have to exceed them with proper project design. If you don't, no Peer Review.

    Feel free to email me if you have any other questions.

    Good luck for 2005. - Brian
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    Just means that in '03 you were ahead of the game, and perhaps better prepared and didn't wait til the end of the deadline. Which is always a better choice in my opinion. I think it is a good idea to know NOW what you are potentially going to ask for. As has been said before on here, good to have Plan A (if you're funded), Plan B (if you're not), and maybe even Plan C (a what the hey...something could change around the station...).

    Anyway, NEVER wait until the week of to plan and start you application. Have seen too many horror stories. The computer crashes (on your end or theirs). Can't get your Board or Chief's approval, etc etc...

    The sooner you get yourself ahead of the game, the more time it gives you to consult with your peers (the folks who actually are the Panel ) and do research, as needed. I know it seems early...but you also have Fire Prevention coming up in September, that may take a little of your time.

    Good Luck!
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    Thumbs up

    PS: Brian, Good Luck, and know when to 'fold em', my friend....

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    A big N.C. thank you !!! I did get to read your story and like I said in the opening post, the wisdom and knowledge in this fourm amazes me!! Take care and be safe out there!!

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