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    News is that she is leaving the site (yeah for me) and going back home for her sick mother. Hopefully the news media will leave and we can get back to other things.

    The news here got complaints from alot of people since all they were reporting on was her, so they had to do the other side for a bit. Since she is local news, there hasn't been much else to report other then the crime rate and all.
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    Angry Spectre...

    You said she should be set on fire.....

    You have recently joined the military. The militarys job is supposed to be to protect the constitution and freedoms of America. I served 8 active duty years, so i can say that.

    I think it is supporting the troops by saying they should be brought home when they should not have been there in the first place. Everyone has their right to comment and protest.

    But to say that one of them who protests should be set on fire for it, well, that kind of sounds like something they would say in North Korea, China or the sorts.

    Soectre, take a moment and reflect on why you joined the Air Force. Set her on Fire? Thats shameful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnout733
    You said she should be set on fire.....

    You have recently joined the military. The militarys job is supposed to be to protect the constitution and freedoms of America. I served 8 active duty years, so i can say that.

    I think it is supporting the troops by saying they should be brought home when they should not have been there in the first place. Everyone has their right to comment and protest.

    But to say that one of them who protests should be set on fire for it, well, that kind of sounds like something they would say in North Korea, China or the sorts.

    Soectre, take a moment and reflect on why you joined the Air Force. Set her on Fire? Thats shameful.
    for the LAST TIME. I did not say to set her on fire. I was not advocating such an action. I was making a point. Were somebody to set this bitch on fire, she should understand if the firefighters decide not to put her out because of the danger to themselves.

    It was an ANALOGY. But some of you don't seem to understand what an ANALOGY is.
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    "The war hasn't gone as well as expected" ....

    The more I hear this comment, the more it baffles me. How many wars have gone "as well as expected" ? Think about most of the conflicts we have been in ... Korea, Vietnam, World War I were all meatgrinders that saw little or no progress at times. Even WWII had moments where todays liberals may have said "it's too costly .. lets pull out" (Guadacanal, Siapan, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, "Hedgerow Country", etc...). the reality is that we lost as many boys in 2 hours on the beaches of Tairwai (spelling may be off) that we have lost in this entire conflict. It just seems to me that society today has such an expectation of immediatte success and data-base neatness that anything beyond that seems to demand an answer to the question "well why didn't you foresee that?".

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    I think all anybody has to do to see just how successful this campaign is is to look at it in comparison to Vietnam, Korea, or any SINGLE battle in WWII.

    The unheard of LOW numbers of American casualties is just amazing. 3 years and barely 1000 men lost. That's astonishing. When we went into this confict I would have guessed 10 times that many loses in the initial engagement.
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    There is a distinct difference as to why we were in WWI and why we are still in iraq, those reasons cannot even be slightly compared. If it could be, there would not be such a public outcry. Americans are by nature patriotic. You did not witness the public distaste like this in WWII.

    Spectre...Good luck in your enlistment. If you end up in Iraq, don't ever complain, don't ever wonder why they won't bring you home. Supporting the troops means the public should shut up and go along for whatever ride the present administration takes you on, right? The military does not end wars, the public does. Remember, the folks who support you enough to say bring you home will and should be set on fire.

    Hmmm...Vietnam is coming to mind more and more each day...

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    How on earth does Vietnam even come to mind? What about the 2 are similar?

    There is no formal enemy left in Iraq, the "insurgents" couldn't mount an effective offensive if they all attacked the same place at the same time. They are underequiped, undermanned, spread out over the entire country, have no formal intelligence or recon capabilities, and not enough numbers to even consider pushing the UNITED STATES MILITARY out of a single base, let alone the entire country.

    We're losing on average less than 10 men a week in combat, tell me what other war have we had that kind of kill/loss ratio? More police officers are probably killed in this country every week than that. I guess we should pull out of America too.

    We toppled a corrupt despot who was a danger to the entire region, a region that is economically VITAL to the rest of the world. I'd like Bush to say we went in just for oil, I think that would have been a BETTER justification than going in for WMDs. Our country SHOULD be fighting to secure and control oil reserves as large as those in Iraq, not to would be just plain stupid in the long run.

    And I don't think anybody who says "bring our troops home" is supporting the troops AT ALL. If you support the troops your support them doing their job, you don't tell them to quit. You don't support policemen by telling them not to patrol high crime areas, you don't support firefighters by telling them not to respond to fires.

    Our soldiers signed up KNOWING they might have to go to war. And we've been at war long enough the quite a few people signed up after we started, so they knew EXACTLY what their chances of going to Iraq were. If they didn't wanna go, they shouldn't have enlisted, simple as that. There are other ways to pay for college than carrying an M16.

    I'd be more than excited to go to Iraq. I think what we're doing there is noble and a moral obligation, and anything I can do to help is worthy of my life if necessary. And I'm confidant that if I fell in Iraq, no matter what I was doing, that my parents wouldn't be out dragging my name and my career around like a flag to use for political gain. They'd be like the hundreds of other parents who look at this bitch in Crawford and shake their heads.

    I'm an adult, I signed my name on the dotted line. I know what I'm signing up for.

    And yes, I'll go along for whatever ride this President, or the next President decide to send me on. Why? BECUASE IT'S MY JOB. Do you refuse to go fight fires in neighborhoods you don't like? Or neighborhoods you don't think are worth saving becasue the people look, talk, or act differently than you? I would hope not, or you don't belong in this business.

    I look at the military the same way. We know how to do it, and we're damn good at it. We have a moral obligation to do what we can to help other people where we can.

    I don't get out and protest when Clintoon went into Somalia, Kosovo, or any of the other dozens of places he sent our troops to die. And many of them were FAR more futile and hard fought than anything our troops are seeing in Iraq.
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    Oh, and there is a public outcry in this country because the generation of people protesting, 20 - 50 have never seen a REAL war. They've never seen what has to be done. They've grown up with movies and video games, instant gratification. They expected us to roll into Iraq, set up a government, and be out in 6 months. Slam, bam, thank you ma'am.

    These same bunch of panty waist ingrates would be out in the streets RIOTING if they'd been around during WWII. People back then supported the war because they UNDERSTOOD IT. They UNDERSTOOD what was at risk. Our country wasn't directly at risk any time during the war. Hawaii wasn't even a state yet, they attacked a base of ours on foreign soil. There is no way any army could have gotten even CLOSE the U.S. The people of america are in greater danger NOW than they were at any time during any other war.
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    And another thing. My grandfather is a 20 yet of Air Force Intelligence. He was IN vietnam for 2 tours and earned 2 bronze stars, a purple heart, and several other medals for meritorious service there.

    He doesn't like bush, he didn't agree with the war when we went in, he still doesn't. But one thing he REALLY hates is when he hears people comparing this to Vietnam. He in no way supports pulling out our troops until the job we started is DONE. He saw first hand what happens when you quit something half way through before you're done. He would have prefered that we never went in, but as much a mistake as he thinks it was to go in he realizes that to pull out now would be 10000 times worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre08
    Oh, and there is a public outcry in this country because the generation of people protesting, 20 - 50 have never seen a REAL war. They've never seen what has to be done. They've grown up with movies and video games, instant gratification. They expected us to roll into Iraq, set up a government, and be out in 6 months. Slam, bam, thank you ma'am.

    These same bunch of panty waist ingrates would be out in the streets RIOTING if they'd been around during WWII. People back then supported the war because they UNDERSTOOD IT. They UNDERSTOOD what was at risk. Our country wasn't directly at risk any time during the war. Hawaii wasn't even a state yet, they attacked a base of ours on foreign soil. There is no way any army could have gotten even CLOSE the U.S. The people of america are in greater danger NOW than they were at any time during any other war.

    Uhh... ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis?

    Oh wait, we weren't technically at war then, so I guess your statement is correct.


    And I guess you weren't around then, so you couldn't have known.


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    1. I have no clue who this woman is, and I wish no ill will toward her. Whatever the problem is, the horse is dead, it's time to move on.

    2. Major problem with the middle East, WE have no B***S for what is really needed, which is to level the entire area into one big sand flat without a single living thing on it, then start fresh.

    3. We also ....... Tones, I'll be back. Damn AFA's. Now, where was I? Oh, OK..

    3. There is a critical and immediate need to dismantle the State Department. These idiot cookie pushers seem to enjoy apoligizing for stupid stuff. I don't care if I offend someone, or that I offend someone's entire nation. Get over it, or get lost.

    4. Change the title and duties of the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of Offense. Let the Term "Pre-Emptive Strike" Define our direction for many years to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods
    2. Major problem with the middle East, WE have no B***S for what is really needed, which is to level the entire area into one big sand flat without a single living thing on it, then start fresh.
    Other than mass murder, what would that get us?

    And you don't really believe that would solve any problems, do you?
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    Default my three cents worth....

    Cindy Sheehan certainly has the right to protest.
    Cindy Sheehan still hasn't finished her grieving process.
    Cindy Sheehan is being used by both sides.
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    Angry This dead horse has it coming...

    Gonzo...That minimalist response is right on the money.

    I just think that woman has more of a right to speak out that even Bush does. He has sacrificed nothing. He could not even complete his National Gaurd obligation.

    Of course he won't talk to her. There is nothing it would accomplish anyway, he already did talk to her. But she has the right more than any of us to say what she wants. Her son is in the ground because of this war.

    Spectre....I'm just happy you are joining the Air Force and ur staying away from my ex-service. Good luck to you.

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    Harve,I was thinking more along the lines of GLASS but you'd have to make an arrangement.Pull out the troops,let the insurgents think they won and rush back in,then neutralise the situation.I also believe if one digs up enough desert all the "stuff" that was "never"there will be discovered. Suddam had oodles of time to bury his secrets,they were there during GB1 and Clinton;they didn't just evaporate. And to those who can't equate the current war to Vietnam,Korea,WW2,WW1. In at least Vietnam and Korea many decisions were based on bad information:IE Iraq.So called military intelligence was, at best, less than optimum.And pencil pushers, as Harve so well points out,tied the hands of the troops in the field. Operation Rolling Thunder comes to mind.It's difficult to defeat an enemy that has put the equivalent of cities undergroung all over the north side and tied them together with tunnels.The Middle East hasn't been "stable" since Cain and Able,for some reason we think we've got an instant cure for it now? Uh huh,NOT! Are we in greater danger now than ever before? I believe we are,for forces now even within,are trying to tear the country apart.And I'm not talking about "towelheads",I'm talking about Berkley liberals,mamas kids who have no concept what a product or food is or where it comes from.We invest billions of dollars in foreign aid to countries that would like to kill us;.........WHY? Those billions would cure quite a few problems right here. And I was watching a documentary the other night in which some french kids(a a few germans)were expressing their disgust of the US.If it hadn't been for the allies the French would be speaking German at best or not be a culture(or even on earth)on the less than best. Those who don't study history are doomed to make the same errors.Much truth in the statement,whether or not you happen to "buy in" to it. T.C.

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    Thumbs up My last "kick" for this horse.

    Maybe i did "go off" a little much in this thread. It just ****es me when we talk about the validity of this war and then turn around and belittle Americans practicing the freedoms the war is "supposed" to defend.

    Sure, lets all be quiet and support our president. No one complain about the war...lets not complain or wonder why we are there...lets stop counting bodies and comparing Iraq to Vietnam.....The soldiers volunteered and knew what they were getting into.....Lets stay in Iraq until the job is done, whatever job that may be....Be sure and visit the disabled vets at your nearest VA hospital cause hey, we support our troops. Its all in the name of peace, right?

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    In the beginning, the issue was that Cindy Sheehan wanted ANOTHER meeting with President Bush to talk about the loss of her son and the Iraqi war.
    In the beginning, it wasn't about Cindy Sheehan, her politics or others who supported her or didn't support her.
    In the beginning, it was Cindy Sheehan on the road to the Texas White House, asking for a few minutes of the President's time.
    But now?
    It has turned into another Teri Schaivo-esque circus, media over-kill on a story that is no longer about a grieving mother, but about a CAUSE!
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    Now that conservative pundits are attacking her personally you know she's on the right track.
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    What does she expect to gain from another meeting with Bush? Does she expect her charm, whit and perswasive tone to magically make Bush declare that he was wrong and order an immediatte pullout? What makes her think thst she is entitled to a meeting at all .... he son died doing his job ... a job he volunteered for knowing that soldiers die in combat. I guess the fact that somehow she feels she is entitled to a conversation with the most powerful leader in the world irks me ... Bush owes her nothing and I wish she would realize that.

    Yes she has the right to protest. That is what the boys are dying for. But no, she does not have a right to meet with Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator
    What does she expect to gain from another meeting with Bush? Does she expect her charm, whit and perswasive tone to magically make Bush declare that he was wrong and order an immediatte pullout? What makes her think thst she is entitled to a meeting at all .... he son died doing his job ... a job he volunteered for knowing that soldiers die in combat. I guess the fact that somehow she feels she is entitled to a conversation with the most powerful leader in the world irks me ... Bush owes her nothing and I wish she would realize that.

    Yes she has the right to protest. That is what the boys are dying for. But no, she does not have a right to meet with Bush.
    she's not just asking for A meeting with Bush. She's asking for ANOTHER meeting with Bush. And she's already said that she's going to yell at him and blame him for every problem in the entire world.

    She probably thinks her divorce and her mother's stroke are his fault too.
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    Well, this morning, they showed a news clip of her telling high school students that this country isn't worth dying for.
    If I was a veteran of the military...hell, I'm not and that even incenses me!
    She needs to go home, grieve for her loss-obviously, she is going through that anger part-join an organization that supports the troops still in harm's way and quit acting like she's the only one who has ever lost a son to a war.
    In my opinion, her behavior is hurting the ones still there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    5. Who in the hell does she think she is? George W. Bush is not an insurance salesman. He is the leader of the most powerful nation on earth and that nation is at war. Do you suppose that he might have something better to do than meet with er for a second time?
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    [QUOTE=hwoods]1. I have no clue who this woman is, and I wish no ill will toward her. Whatever the problem is, the horse is dead, it's time to move on.
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    It's not a horse who's dead, it's her son, and if that were my child, I'd be right where she is. More power to her!
    First of all, Harve wasn't trivializing the death of Cindy Sheehan's son by comparing him to a dead horse. He was merely paraphrasing an old saying.
    Secondly, apparently, if you were to be "right where she is", it would be on the lecture circuit, telling young kids that this country isn't worth it; that defending the rights of other cultures; that going to war to defend the right for her to speak out against that war isn't worth it.
    She has now crossed the line of sensibility and entered the world of hyprocrisy.
    And now, she believes that she speaks for all those who believe that we shouldn't be in Iraq or anywhere for that matter, if it means having troops there for a military action.
    She can talk all she wants. I'm not listening. My nephew goes to Iraq in a couple of weeks. I love him and will do anything I can to support him. And I hope and pray that he comes back alive. But if he doesn't, I will support my family and my country.
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