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    We don't have an SOP for bunk times. Depends on when we feel like going to bed and getting up. However there have been several tours in a row with nothing, and many where we were up all night. About a month ago we were up all night, both nights on 3 straight tours. All strange and odd calls. No fires though
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    My last five years on the "Buggy" eight total. Last two and a half on engines six to eight depending on crash out time. Still some sleepless just depends.

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    I like whoever said "Down Time" Unless we have scheduled training or a PR event, down time is any time between calls and some time after the fire house is picked up and the rigs are checked in (0900 or so). Oh yeah after breakfast too. We do however get a wake-up at 0700. I think I slept until 0720 this morning.

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    Question Work Sleep v. Home Sleep

    I've noticed that even when I do sleep through the night, it's not good rest. Work sleep seems to be only worth 1/3 of what home sleep would be good for.

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    Well, at my station is depends on what truck you're riding, as the engine and rescue catch more work. If on the Rescue, about 2-3 hours is a GOOD night. On the engine, 4 hours is a GOOD night. NEVER had a shift where I slept all night on those two trucks. I've had 2 or 3 nights where I've slept all night when on the ladder.

    We don't get any sleep during the day either unless it is a Sunday...per SOP. Of course our SOP's are written by people that work 8-4 and don't have a clue about it. Yesterday as an example, in addition to running calls and station areas we pumped for 5 hours with three of our guys getting ready for the upcoming Engineers test practical next month.

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    At the station sleep obviously varies according to call volume. There are 3 houses in my department and it doesn't matter what house or what rig you are assigned to because the tones go off at all stations no matter what the call or apparatus needed. If you are not turning out for the call, sleep time depends on how easily you are able to roll over and fall back to sleep. I seem to be OK with this, but others have real issues.
    There is also the issue of "good" sleep in that if sleep cycles are interrupted, it doesn’t allow the body and mind to fully recover and repair itself. Personally, I am looking into sleep disorder studies for myself and we'll see if that can help.
    Even when sleeping through the night I feel it's not that restful because you are kind of sleeping with one "ear" open to listen for the tones.
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    Question Why is it this way?

    Quote Originally Posted by FyrGuy176
    At the station sleep obviously varies according to call volume. There are 3 houses in my department and it doesn't matter what house or what rig you are assigned to because the tones go off at all stations no matter what the call or apparatus needed.
    I know of several departments that do this... and, for the life of me, I can't figure out why. If one house has to go pick Mrs. Jones up off the floor at 2 a.m., why on earth does every other station need to know that? Let everyone else rest so that they'll be ready to go when it's their turn.

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    The real kicker is that a new station alerting system was just installed and has the software to be station selective! There is a rumor that a few officers want to know everything that is going on. To a point, I agree, but a Lt. at station 1 doesn't really need to know or shouldn’t really care that squad 3 went on a call @ 0-dark-thirty. Dispatch knows what rigs are on the air and if the CAD system prompts a unit that is working a call the CAD will prompt the next closest available unit. I don't care if somebody is out and I'm "on the bubble" for back up response, If you need me, tone me out, I'll figure out that the other unit is busy when I'm rolling cross town to another district!
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    I have a question on this subject. Anyone else have a problem with going back to sleep after a middle of the night run? If we run after say 3 or 330, I dont even bother trying to go back to bed. Even if its a 15 minute run to pick grandma up off the floor. I just come back and fire up the coffee.
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    I have a question on this subject. Anyone else have a problem with going back to sleep after a middle of the night run? If we run after say 3 or 330, I dont even bother trying to go back to bed. Even if its a 15 minute run to pick grandma up off the floor. I just come back and fire up the coffee.
    We have guys that will run a call at 0530, be back by 0630 and get back in bed and sleep untill 0700!

    Gotta get as much sleep as possible to work that other job.

    Anything after 0500 I am up for good. Starbucks opens at 0500, we have been their 1st customer tons of times.

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    I love my setup. Get off work, do my 5 minute drive home, in bed for 7:25... perfect because I sign over the trucks and in bed and havent even fully woken up yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1983
    I have a question on this subject. Anyone else have a problem with going back to sleep after a middle of the night run? If we run after say 3 or 330, I dont even bother trying to go back to bed. Even if its a 15 minute run to pick grandma up off the floor. I just come back and fire up the coffee.
    I remember a white paper trick, but I dont remember exactly what it was. Seems like Chief Reason or the Gonz' had posted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Res343cue
    I remember a white paper trick, but I dont remember exactly what it was. Seems like Chief Reason or the Gonz' had posted it.
    Hmmmm, that sounds interesting.

    I think part of my problem is I dont sleep good there anyway. Ive had a water bed at home since I was in high school and have a heck of a time with regular beds. And it doesnt help that my departments beds are like concrete slabs with sheets over them.
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    We get to sleep during the 48 hours we're off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1983
    And it doesnt help that my departments beds are like concrete slabs with sheets over them.
    The dad of one of our captains owns a furniture store, so we got the hook up on some pretty decent beds when we renovated our living quarters in 2002. The mattresses are still holding up pretty good... but the box springs are shot. There are nights -- no joke -- when they squeak just from you lying there and breathing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoe400800
    I was just wondering, how many hours of sleep do you normally get on a given shift?
    It is uncommon for us to sleep all night. 5500 runs a year out of one station with 2 medics, an engine, and a battalion, means a run every hour and a half on average for someone on station. Some nights you get 1-2, some nights 5-7, some nights (rare) 0.. Generally engine days are your best bet to sleep, but even then, sometimes the engine chases fire alarms all night while the medics sleep

    Its all a toss up my brother..

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    Sleep? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! You're asking a dispatcher?

    I just luuurve it when I get complaints about waking the guys up all night, and how hard it was for them to fall asleep when they got back to quarters! And don't forget, for you it's one call, one truck...with us it's many calls, many trucks!
    No really, I feel your pain when you don't get any sleep, I really do!!

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    How many of you are allowed to nap during shift. Here, 12 calls a shift, half of them after midnight are not uncommon depending on your first due area. It is generally accepted to take a "safety nap" after lunch, if possible, to make it through the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyrGuy176
    At the station sleep obviously varies according to call volume. There are 3 houses in my department and it doesn't matter what house or what rig you are assigned to because the tones go off at all stations no matter what the call or apparatus needed.
    WTF???That make about 0 sense. Please tell me they have a GOOD reason for a set up like this.
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    WTF???That make about 0 sense. Please tell me they have a GOOD reason for a set up like this.
    It's pretty common from what I hear. I worked at a place where they left the radio "on" all night long, so you'd hear everyone within 100 miles coming thru the speaker 6 ft. above your bed. Of course the guys that had worked there for 20 years could sleep thru a tornado, but I laid awake all night trying to block it out.

    I will say that several times our dispatchers have "missed" one of our houses on a fire call at 3AM, they got 2 out of 3, just missed that 3rd one. You figure it out after the fact, but that is a problem if you have station specific tones. But it rarely happens! Right.

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