Thread: Morals at the cost of Morale
08-24-2005, 09:29 AM #1
Morals at the cost of Morale
Aug 24, 2005 7:21 am US/Eastern
(1010 WINS) (Teaneck, NJ) Teaneck firefighters have been told to remove stickers -- even the ones remembering nine-eleven -- from their helmets.
Township Manager Helene Fall says the policy does not permit personal adornments on township property and prevents employees from wearing anything that might be considered offensive.
The only thing that is permitted is an American flag sticker that the township provided.
Teaneck fire officers union president Mike Hunter tells The Record of Bergen County the order is ridiculous.
Many of the firefighters helped search through debris at ground zero after the terrorist attacks.
08-24-2005, 10:40 AM #2
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Oh, for cryin' out loud. Somebody ran out of papers to push...
08-24-2005, 10:57 AM #3
Doesnt surprise me one bit. We went through the same thing about 5 years ago. Its only in the last 3 months weve gotten our IAFF decals back. On the helmets at least, still none on the rigs.Fire Marshal/Safety Officer
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08-24-2005, 11:04 AM #4
It's not their helmet, it's the townships property.
Yes, I think it's a ridiculous rule and I'm sure they do too, so instead of breaking it......CHANGE IT."This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?
08-24-2005, 11:29 AM #5
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Sounds kinda crazy to me! I can see where people can get carried away though. We had one of those guys on my department that had his covered by decals, didn't look very good.Chief
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08-24-2005, 11:38 AM #6
This is absurd but is part of the society we have helped to create. If one guy has a sticker on his helmet and another guy wants to put one on that is offensive you can bet that if he is denied it will end up in court.
Common sense is gone. Politically correct behavior is now the norm for many places. I disagree with the policy but in our litigious society-what can we expect?Jacktee
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08-24-2005, 01:12 PM #7
I have mixed feelings on this one. I have a few decals on my helmets (9/11 memorial and a shamrock), plus added the station number to both sides.
But, if the department told me to take them off, I would without complaint. I wouldn't necessarily agree with that decision, but I'd do it.
The fact of the matter is, as has been pointed out, the helmets are city property (and even if purchased by individuals, still worn as part of a uniform) and the department and the city has every right to regulate what is placed on equipment or uniforms. Most tend to turn a blind eye so long as it doesn't get out of hand, and it sounds like Teaneck is painting with an awful wide brush. Would probably make more sense to specify what's appropriate and what's inappropriate (and I've seen some pretty inappropriate helmet stickers).Chris Gaylord
Emergency Planner / Fire Captain, UC Santa Cruz FD
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