Triple Layer Load Preconnect

[ChiefKN]

So if there is a car parked in the way or a fence and gate or bushes, do they special call one of the three of you guys to help them flake it?

Nah, you just run left or right. Still works.

This isn't rocket science.

[16Scott]

It doesn't matter which load is used - flat, minuteman, triple layer - they all work. What I see as the big problem here is THE CHIEF deciding which load to use. Is he pulling the preconnect? Not in my department.

Let the crews decide. We have over 50 engines and all variations of hose loads. The captain of the engine decides. I can recognize and one of them and successfully pull them. So can everyone else.

Stop the micrmanaging and give your subordinates some free-thinking space. It's amazing how motivated firefighters can be.

[ffnj40]

Is this another name for the minuteman load? Here can I find a picture? I can't find it in and IFSTA books. Help a brother out!!

[FyredUp]

Is this another name for the minuteman load? Here can I find a picture? I can't find it in and IFSTA books. Help a brother out!!

Here's a video that shows deploying it and then repacking it. It is kind of cheesy but does a decent job of showing it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...52095101029391

Go to this site and it shows you pictures of loading and deploying the Minute man load. Yeah, I know it is long web addy, but hey what do you want for free?

http://books.google.com/books?id=Rhz...20load&f=false

[MG3610]

Nah, you just run left or right. Still works.

This isn't rocket science.

You'd think it was by some of the basic misunderstandings and hose follys seen on a daily basis.

If anyone has ever pulled hose, and understands the value of shoulder carrying hose versus dragging it along behind you, then its a no brainer. I myself, prefer the hose load that won't get caught under and on every obstacle in my path.

[GTRider245]

Is this another name for the minuteman load? Here can I find a picture? I can't find it in and IFSTA books. Help a brother out!!

No sir. Two completly different loads, both in how they are packed as well as deployed.

[nameless]

hm, neat!
Please excuse my ignorance, the only flat loads I've seen in person is the LDH in the back of the engines. So the way to advance a flat load is basically like a minuteman. For whatever reason, I was envisioning someone grabbing the nozzle and just pulling from the bed. With the dogears at every section, it makes perfect sense. In fact, i'm not entirely clear what the difference is between minuteman and a flatload with dogears..

I guess since we're in sprawling suburbia thats why everyone uses triple layer loads around here - plenty of room 99% of the time, and very few structures more than 2 stories.

The minuteman is essentially 50 ft flat loaded normally, then the rest of the bed is a flat load turned upside down. In the sense that if you grab the hose load and put it on your shoulder and walk away the hose plays off the top as you walk. A normal flat load would be trying to pull the hose out from the bottom of the hose bundle on your shoulder.

The flat load, either with or without dog ears, can be deployed just like the minute man except that the firefighter just needs to flip the hose bundle as he is putting on his shoulder (with the minuteman the hose load is flipped when its loaded vs. deployment)

The thing I like about the flat load is you have control of it. If I don't need the entire hose bed, you can take what you need and the driver can break the line and hook it to the panel. Where as the minuteman you have to deploy the whole load every time.

The dogears aren't necessary but are nice. If you load the hose a certain way putting dog ears at every 100 ft or something, it lets you quickly figure out where to grab the hose. The dogears are also a lot easier to grab then grabbing one of the many small folds in the load.

[Gx7E10]

If you have 2 firefighters available to deploy the hoseload, 1 Firefighter can grab the nozzle and head in one direction while the 2nd Firefighter grabs the loop and heads in the opposite direction. This allows you to deploy the hoseload in a smaller space. Our Triple Layer Loads are cross-lays and this technique is useful for vehicle fires and small front yards.

[GTRider245]

If you have 2 firefighters available to deploy the hoseload, 1 Firefighter can grab the nozzle and head in one direction while the 2nd Firefighter grabs the loop and heads in the opposite direction. This allows you to deploy the hoseload in a smaller space. Our Triple Layer Loads are cross-lays and this technique is useful for vehicle fires and small front yards.

Im confused...what loop are you pulling on a triple layer, and why are you walking opposite directions? If loaded correctly, a triple layer should only take ~60 feet to completly deploy...

[ffnukkie1617]

We use triple-layer on our 2 cross lays with generally no problems. However, as mentioned previously, hose tends to get caught if you don't pull it 66' straight out. We've started dog-earing the bottom loop with the idea that you take the whole load off droping it beside the engine, then take the nozzle and "attached" loop straight to where you need to go...nothing getting caught anywhere. So far it's worked OK. You need a little strength to get the whole load off but we haven't had a problem yet. (must be the adrenelen).