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    Default Got a $20,000 Reduction...

    Original request was $64,000 reduced to right at $44,000. This really hurts! And we were not notified by anyone from the grant office. Did this happen to anyone else? I wrote 2 grants both have been awarded one of them in round 1 and this one that got reduced in round 2. The 1st one was for PPE and was reduced to $1300.00 per coat and pant set . The 2nd was for a full set of turnout gear (helmet, boots, coat, pant, gloves and hood) came in at $1928.00 a set. When i was writing the grant i specifically called them and asked them if what was labeled on the application as "full set of turnout gear" was everything head to toe and they said yes. Dont know if i was mislead or what.

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    How many sets did you apply for and how much money a set did they give you after the reduction?

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    The limit was around $1800 or $1900 a set including helmet, coat, pants, gloves, hood, and boots. Call and ask, maybe the number of sets was reduced, not the amount per. Either way definitely get an explanation for the change and see who they notified that it was changing. Since it wasn't you.

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    Default Reduction of $20,000

    BC, I have contacted the person who they would have called and he said that no one had ever contacted him. I was aware of the cap on the gear and things. We asked for 33 complete sets (head to toe). The cost was $1928.00 per set.






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    The limit was around $1800 or $1900 a set including helmet, coat, pants, gloves, hood, and boots. Call and ask, maybe the number of sets was reduced, not the amount per. Either way definitely get an explanation for the change and see who they notified that it was changing. Since it wasn't you.

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    I'd give a shout up to the grant specialist listed on the award and find out what the deal-io is before they get tied up with something else.

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    Thumbs up Caps

    We were awarded $2000.00 a set for Helmet, Hood, Coat, Pants and Boots. That is what I was told was the limit. It was about 1300 for just pants and coat from what they told me when I called up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firegod101
    Original request was $64,000 reduced to right at $44,000. This really hurts! And we were not notified by anyone from the grant office. Did this happen to anyone else? I wrote 2 grants both have been awarded one of them in round 1 and this one that got reduced in round 2. The 1st one was for PPE and was reduced to $1300.00 per coat and pant set . The 2nd was for a full set of turnout gear (helmet, boots, coat, pant, gloves and hood) came in at $1928.00 a set. When i was writing the grant i specifically called them and asked them if what was labeled on the application as "full set of turnout gear" was everything head to toe and they said yes. Dont know if i was mislead or what.
    How did you get awarded for Pants and Coats in one grant, then awarded again for full turnout. That doesn't make sense to me.

    Did I misunderstand?

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    It's 2 grants for 2 different departments. He was just stating the first one because they're both for PPE and the 1st didn't get reduced at all.

    It may be different types of gear too. Nomex has a different cap than PBI, same with asking for rubber vs leather boots, 1010 helmet vs Metro, etc, etc.

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    I would give em a call. I received a $43.5k reduction on my grant, a simple email restored about 1/2 of the reduction, $23.5k Your reduction may be correct, however if you have any doubts, as I did, don't be bashful about emailing or calling, the grants staff was nothing but helpful and quickly found the error and changed the reduction. However, I am under the impression that someone should have agreed to the reduction, I would check into that also with your grant specialist.

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    Does anyone know the limits for an aerial apparatus?

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    About ~$450K for a 95-105' stick, ~$600K for a 95'-100' platform, and add about $200K to each if making them quints.

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    Default Answers from our grant admin.

    Contacted our grant administrator on our $20,000 reduction. I was on the phone with her for about a half hour. She said it was an error in the program. So if this would happen to anyone else you will have to send an e-mail to FEMA and request the other money. So far i have not recieved my e-mail. I'll keep everyone up to date on this matter.

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    I'm having trouble discerning when in the process the "reduction offer" is made. Is correspondence regarding reduced amounts normally generated between the reply to the questions and the announcement? Or somewhere else in the process?? I couldn't find a definable pattern in the other posts i searched. Thanks for any input.
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    The reduction request comes in after the 10 questions because they are sent by someone other than the grant specialist. After they get your reply and put it into the file (if you say you want the money, because some don't take it), it goes to the GS for a deeper look. If any prices are out of alignment with what's considering normal, they check the narrative for justification on special features requested that would require a price increase, and if there are none, of the justification is not there, they email "asking" about the reduction. Kind of a rhetorical question since it's either take the money or not.

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    We applied for a min-pumper / brush truck. We were reduced to an even 125,000 from 137,500. That hurt especially since the specs we're getting now that we got funded are higher than they initially quoted.
    Anyway...my chief is pushing for us to go back to our administrator and ask for an increase to the original amount. The rest of the department (myself included) don't agree with this at all, but I thought I would ask for some other opinions. I've always been taught not to look a gift horse in the mouth and I would hate to sound greedy. We certainly appreciate what we got!

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    Thanks Brian, that makes perfect sense. I'm guessing that we were high on our bunker gear estimate, and may be in line for a reduction. We'll still do well if that happens, and celebrate just as much.

    Dellroy, the experts may have a reason to disagree, but i can't see where it could hurt to point out the justifications your dept may have had for asking for the higher amount. But at the same time i'd sure be working the salesperson over too. Neither approach may be of benefit--DHS will give what they will give, and the manufacturers have a current supply of cash customers at the moment. My opinion, not necessarily of value in the real world.
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    If you haven't already, call and ask why the reduction. They had to have a reason for it in order to do it, so it shouldn't be hard for them to tell you. I haven't seen what y'all put in for so I can't say if you're high or they're wrong for the reduction or what. But Earl is right, you're a cash carrying customer, so if someone else can build a truck with the same specs for less (not more cheaply, just less expensive), then have at it. More bang, less buck is the name of the game.

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    when I got the email regarding the reduction, they said it was because it was considered a brush truck and the standard award was 125,000 for said vehicle. Should I still ask or do they pretty much just stick with the base award? I don't want to sound ungratefull and hurt our chances for another grant next year

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    I don't think they'll hold a grudge if you call and explain the reasons your truck is costing more. I saw another post in the other forum from you about chassis, so if you're not stuck on one type, shop around and see what else is along the same lines in size. There's always a few bucks difference between the different brands.

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    Dellroy,

    Are you required to put the specs for your apparatus out to bid?

    If you do, this will provide some competition among the manufacturers to bid aggressively pushing the final cost down. A quote to me is an estimate of what the cost will be, a bidded price is the final price.

    Are you working with the same sales rep/manufacturer for your final specs?
    What was their reasoning for the increased cost?

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    we aren't required to put it out to bid, but we are regardless just to see how competetive they can get with the price.
    The reason that they gave for the increase was a verbal misunderstanding between the rep and the gentleman from our department that spoke to him. Basically they quoted it as a brush truck and forgot to add the 1000 gpm pump onto it.
    We are in the process now of seeing who all is out there that can do what we need.

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    Default SCBA Funding Reductions

    Looking for some information concerning where potential awards are reduced for funding of SCBA equipment. As part of our application we applied for 4 one hour Scott carbon cylinders to use for RIT, HazMat, etc. We identified the cost as $950 per cylinder and have been advised that if we accept the grant, funding will be reduced $200 per cylinder ($750). Tracked down prices from six potential vendors and the cost ranges from $921 to $1500.

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