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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86
    DM: You asked:



    If the principle doesn't increase, say because you haven't added to the principle because the budget is balanced, the interest won't increase either. Pretty simple.
    Yes but you ignore the fact that the interest has not always been paid, it accumulates and we are forced to pay interest on the interest, each interest payment defered, which is something that happaned a lot during the Clinton administration, adds to the principle on which the interst is based. The "debt clock never came to a complete stop, and never reversed direction, it just slowed down enough to not be as dramatic as it once was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace
    The "debt clock never came to a complete stop, and never reversed direction, it just slowed down enough to not be as dramatic as it once was.
    Compared to its current spinning like a top, which is preferable?
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86
    Compared to its current spinning like a top, which is preferable?
    Doesn't matter in this discussion, I was right and you were not, nahhnahhnannaahhnann
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    Doesn't matter what party anyone is. Neither party cares about the citizen.

    No politician cares about the individual either. They care about 3 things: Power, money, and keeping their jobs. They will do anything to get as many of the three as possible.

    Both parties are full of politicians. Very few public servants (yes there is a difference between the two) exist in either party.

    Don't believe me? Watch the news or the Sunday morning politics shows. Politicians up there yammering away against the other side, not saying a damn thing about the people affected - us. The taxpayer. The citizen.


    My Merriam - Webster's defines politician as:

    1) a person experienced in the art or science of government.
    2) a person engaged in party politics as a profession.
    3) a person interested in political office for selfish reason t other narro, usually short-sighted reasons.

    Pretty much sums up the dirtbag twits we have in office at all levels of government. The longer we keep letting these twits stay in office the worse our country will get, regardless of which party is in power.

    The citizens have given up our power and given it to the politicians. Many of us are too stupid to realize it.
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    I consider myself a conservative, however, there are some things I am conservative about and others I am liberal about.

    I vote based on best candidates and the best things for me and my community. I don't let my party affiliation automatically cast my vote.
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    Conservative thru and thru. Not tied to GOP or Dem.
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    Oh, I probably should have answered the question originally posted in the question huh?

    I am a registered Republican, but when my schedule allows in a few weeks I will most likely head to the County Courthouse to change it to Libertarian (if I actually remember to.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    Doesn't matter what party anyone is. Neither party cares about the citizen.
    True, a party represents its members, not the individual citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    No politician cares about the individual either. They care about 3 things: Power, money, and keeping their jobs. They will do anything to get as many of the three as possible.
    False, you must not know any politicians personally. There is little money in it and power takes a very long time to accumulate. Almost every politician has taken that road of life because they do want to help individuals and have an oppertunity to have a positive impact on society. Their philosophies on how to help may very greatly, but their end goals are almost all the same. To make America(or what ever country they are in) a better place for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    Both parties are full of politicians. Very few public servants (yes there is a difference between the two) exist in either party.
    The word you are looking for is NOT "Public Servents", anyone that serves qualifies for that, teachers, town garbage men, firemen, police, street sweeper, guy who sets the timeing on stop lights, etc. The word you are looking for is "Statesmen", and yes we are lacking that in our elected officials who sometimes put party ahead of constituents, but they do exist, you just have to look with an open mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    Don't believe me? Watch the news or the Sunday morning politics shows. Politicians up there yammering away against the other side, not saying a damn thing about the people affected - us. The taxpayer. The citizen.
    You must not listen too much, because that is all that they are talking about, how they can help better then the other guy. The solutions just get hidden in the debate sometimes.


    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    My Merriam - Webster's defines politician as:

    1) a person experienced in the art or science of government.
    2) a person engaged in party politics as a profession.
    3) a person interested in political office for selfish reason t other narro, usually short-sighted reasons.
    Your third definition is actually a "b" not a third category. Seems that you know the art of spin and are being a little political here yourself for your own philosophical reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    Pretty much sums up the dirtbag twits we have in office at all levels of government. The longer we keep letting these twits stay in office the worse our country will get, regardless of which party is in power.
    Could say the same of cops and firefighters that abuse the trust placed upon them that makes the front pages too often.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    The citizens have given up our power and given it to the politicians. Many of us are too stupid to realize it.
    The only citizens that have given up their power are those that do not get involved in the process and those that refuse to vote for what ever reason.
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    1 - I don't know them personally. Politicians are career folks. Public servants wish to actually help folks.

    I have yet to see a politician make the lot in life better for many folks. If you take a look at the political stances of a party and its politicians, they do not seem to solve an issue as then they lose that issue - but they will rail like heck about it.

    Personally, there is a difference between a politician and one who holds a political office. Just how I feel, like it or not.

    2 - If I meant "Statesman" I would have said it. You are paid to serve the public (whether you do or not is a different story) therefore you are a public servant.

    You can call them what you want, but I will call them as I wish to.

    I have not seen a "Statesman" in a very long time, if ever.

    3 - OK. SO they talk about the "little guy" but I have yet to see them help the "little guy."

    4 - So it is a "b." It is still a listed definition. Taken on it's own, it is a definition.

    I was not trying to spin anything. I was listing the definitions. Do you really think that it would make a difference if I had put a "b" in front of it instead of a "3?" Thank your for your attempt to interpret my mind.

    5 - I do say the same thing about police officers and firefighters on the front page. I don't see a whole lot of stuff about politicians there. When I do, I say the same thing.

    6 - We are both correct. If you do not vote, you have given up a right. If you continue to elect people who chip away at your rights by passing laws, you have done the same thing.

    Either way, we all lose. Nothing will change, the politicians are counting on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    1 - I don't know them personally. Politicians are career folks. Public servants wish to actually help folks.

    I have yet to see a politician make the lot in life better for many folks. If you take a look at the political stances of a party and its politicians, they do not seem to solve an issue as then they lose that issue - but they will rail like heck about it.

    Personally, there is a difference between a politician and one who holds a political office. Just how I feel, like it or not.

    2 - If I meant "Statesman" I would have said it. You are paid to serve the public (whether you do or not is a different story) therefore you are a public servant.

    You can call them what you want, but I will call them as I wish to.

    I have not seen a "Statesman" in a very long time, if ever.

    3 - OK. SO they talk about the "little guy" but I have yet to see them help the "little guy."

    4 - So it is a "b." It is still a listed definition. Taken on it's own, it is a definition.

    I was not trying to spin anything. I was listing the definitions. Do you really think that it would make a difference if I had put a "b" in front of it instead of a "3?" Thank your for your attempt to interpret my mind.

    5 - I do say the same thing about police officers and firefighters on the front page. I don't see a whole lot of stuff about politicians there. When I do, I say the same thing.

    6 - We are both correct. If you do not vote, you have given up a right. If you continue to elect people who chip away at your rights by passing laws, you have done the same thing.

    Either way, we all lose. Nothing will change, the politicians are counting on it.
    I'm with ya Sharkie....I agree with you 100%!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace
    The only citizens that have given up their power are those that do not get involved in the process and those that refuse to vote for what ever reason.
    Great point DM. Colin Powell has a great line. "Decisions are made by those who show up". And looking at voter turnout, many are abdicating their right to make decisions by not showing up.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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