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    The newsies haven't been showing many"You loot,We shoot"signs after this one.
    Wonder why it is that doing for yourself and protecting you and your neighbors is getting to be passe'.
    Two years ago when "Hurricane Elvis"hit Memphis,I went to visit my parents and hook up a 5kw generator so they could have some a/c and refrigeration.
    Some kids rode through the block and just after,a fire was noticed at the dead end of the street against the schoolground.
    After a neighbor and I put it out,we noth started walking the neighborhood and never saw a MPD unit until three days later,who promptly told us to put the pistols up.
    When the public services are overwhelmed,they shouldn't be deterring the citizens from backstopping them and making things more dangerous when the police aren't there.

    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    Oh yeah one other thing....They are armed and prepared to keep any passing thugs moving along. I feel a tiny bit better that he was ok. I told him he was a dumbass for staying , but he is a Coast Guard veteran and I was fairly sure he would be alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840
    One more thought. Anybody remember Cellblock? Wasn't he a FF/EMT just outside New Orleans?
    He checked in on another thread somewhere. I believe his home fared reasonably well and he was headed off to work.
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    Just got word from my sister who owns a few houses down there but was in Memphis when it hit.One of her houses is history,no word on the others yet.She's doing her storm damage assessments from the TV set.She's not going down there until the police have things in hand,despite an offer of a pistol and a quick training session on use,cleaning,loading and rules of engagement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson
    despite an offer of a pistol and a quick training session on use,cleaning,loading and rules of engagement.
    Do I even have to state why this is a bad idea... 10 minutes of lessons is NOT going to keep anybody safe, I donít care what damn gun you have. You think most bad guys don't know how to use a gun. All that gun will do is instill a false sense of security. Donít take that as anti-gun, I am anything but, just pro-common sense. Anyways, I talk on gun forums about guns... not here, but I think your sister is making the right choice.

    New reports from a Sheriff Officer where pretty bleak, in areas outside of New Orleans they had organized gangs raiding stores (jewelry stores etc), apparently they had snipers on the rooftops keeping law enforcement at bay
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    Fox News is reporting that the Mayor of NO is reporting that the death toll in NO area will be in the hundreds and possibly the thousands. This is one of the most unbelievable things that I have ever seen.

    I can't overstate the importance of praying for these people right now.

    BTW: Isnt it amazing that there are literally thousands of US Citizens rushing to the area to rescue people that include these lawless pieces of garbage doing the looting?

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    They just said that the Walmart had all of their guns looted. They also said there are gangs of armed men roving the streets.
    It just get from bad to worse.
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    From: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._katrina_dc_73
    Police said there were dozens of carjackings overnight, by desperate survivors trying to leave town or obtain supplies. Somebody fired at a rescue helicopter Tuesday night, forcing its crew to abandon efforts to evacuate patients from a hospital, a state official said.
    GD animals! Un-fricking believable.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RLFD14
    From: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._katrina_dc_73


    GD animals! Un-fricking believable.



    Godspeed brothers.
    I think that it is very important to remember that the criminal mobs are the minority. Most of the people are scared, hungry, thirsty and desperate. Also, they are mostly lower income folks. You or I can put a rental car or a hotel room on our VISA card. Many of those folks do not have the means to put food on the table every day. This is a terribly sad situation.

    This is a perfect example of why it is so important for local jurisdictions to prepare for disasters. You cannot expect that the State and Federal governments will respond quickly. It will be anothrer 48 hours before there is a full federal complement on the ground there.

    But I know one thing...the friggin' Coast Guard is the most underrated, most taken for granted branch of the military (I know, they're under DHS).

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    Several of our members are wanting to know if you need their assistance. We can be there if requested. What supplies do you need, contact Captian Fitzgerald, Riceboro Volunteer Fire & Rescue, rangerfitz@firehousezone.com or call 912-884-2830

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson
    I am reading a book called "Rising Tide"about the flood of 1927 and the levees in St Bernard and Plaqueminne Parishes that were dynamited to ease the pressure on the levees around New Orleans are the same ones that failed and flooded out again.
    Actually, the big leak on the canals is not from a failed levee -- it's from a failed flood wall. There is a difference. It's important to note that the levees holding back the Mississippi River (which is higher than the lake) are still holding.

    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7
    Paramedics in the District are using sport utility vehicles and Ford Crown Victorias to respond to medical emergencies because of a shortage of ambulances in the city's fleet.
    Did I miss something? Why are we talking about Washington, DC medics in a thread about a hurricane on the Gulf Coast?

    Quote Originally Posted by rangerfitz
    Several of our members are wanting to know if you need their assistance. We can be there if requested. What supplies do you need, contact Captian Fitzgerald, Riceboro Volunteer Fire & Rescue, rangerfitz@firehousezone.com or call 912-884-2830
    Contact your state OEM.

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    The most important thing is what can we do to help and how can we respond, I have several firefigthers and emt's wanting to help, we can leave Iowa at a moments notice. If you know who to contact let us know, we will be in route. Email me if you can.
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    Just got a call from my son telling me he has been called to active duty. Four Tennessee MP units plus battalion headquarters have been activated and will be heading to somewhere on the gulf coast by Saturday.
    He was supposed to be back from Bulgaria Sunday. He got to spend his 2 week summer Guard training doing a joint NATO training exercise with Bulgarian MPs. They have had plane troubles with their C5 and have been delayed for several days. They are supposed to arrive in Nashville tomorrow and it sounds like he will have about a day to get ready before heading further south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    I think that it is very important to remember that the criminal mobs are the minority.
    I hear you, George. But I am still aghast at someone who shoots at a rescue helicopter. I can't even grasp the motivation or meaning behind that. Vulnerable people trying to help even more vulnerable people, risking it all, and then getting shot at on top of that? There's a few bad apples making the whole of NO look very bad to the point of incomprehension.
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    My wife is in the army here at FT. Hood and I know she is getting things ready to go as they are sending help and supplies to the disaster area as well. Not sure if she is going too or not yet. Good luck and Gods speed to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerfitz
    Several of our members are wanting to know if you need their assistance. We can be there if requested. What supplies do you need, contact Captian Fitzgerald, Riceboro Volunteer Fire & Rescue, rangerfitz@firehousezone.com or call 912-884-2830
    Nobody is going to call you.

    If you're serious about helping, contact the American Red Cross. They need both donations and volunteers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    I can't overstate the importance of praying for these people right now.
    Yes, that is so, so true.

    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Isnt it amazing that there are literally thousands of US Citizens rushing to the area to rescue people that include these lawless pieces of garbage doing the looting?
    I think that's what makes the US so great. When that ISN'T the norm is when we will fail as a nation.

    As far as the 'armed gangs of looters', another armed gang is arriving in that area too - it is called the United States Army. Just a couple of anarchists (good description, dmleblanc) discouraged by 5.56mm NATO rounds will have an amazingly calming influence BUT don't lump everyone in as a lawless thug. People will do whatever the must to survive and many of these people have been without food, shelter, clothing, and water for two days now. You and I would resort to drastic measures too. Here's a link to a story out of Biloxi, MS that demonstrates that point. I didn't include the whole story, but here's the relevant text:
    "We've had widespread looting," he added.
    He said even the police and fire department had raided a grocery store for supplies as emergency teams worked triple shifts to hunt for survivors.
    "We're essentially looting ourselves but we're keeping track of it."
    Keep in mind, they're doing this in Biloxi, which is much more accessible than New Orleans. Many of these people (like the rest of us) have never, ever faced a situation where help simply wasn't available and they're doing what they feel they must to survive.

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    I can't understand what part of "mandatory evacuation" the people just don't understand. Those who try to "ride out the storm" then get into serious trouble and expect the fire/rescue/EMS Police cavalry to come to the rescue, putting our people at risk.

    Our brothers and sisters in the aforementioned services put the needs of the community ahead of their own.. I just hope the people remember that later on...
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    I may be going for 2-3 weeks with the usar task force here. Word from one of our people there asseing the needs says public health and sanitation is going to be a nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    I think that it is very important to remember that the criminal mobs are the minority. Most of the people are scared, hungry, thirsty and desperate. Also, they are mostly lower income folks. You or I can put a rental car or a hotel room on our VISA card. Many of those folks do not have the means to put food on the table every day. This is a terribly sad situation.

    This is a perfect example of why it is so important for local jurisdictions to prepare for disasters. You cannot expect that the State and Federal governments will respond quickly. It will be anothrer 48 hours before there is a full federal complement on the ground there.

    But I know one thing...the friggin' Coast Guard is the most underrated, most taken for granted branch of the military (I know, they're under DHS).
    George, well said.

    I donít know of any word/s that would appropriately describe what we feel. You were there for us four years ago and now weíll be there for you. My heart breaks for all of you Ė brothers and civilians. May God bless you all.

    Hopefully, the IAFF along with other Firematic orgs will be setting up some type of fund to aid the Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana brothers and sister who lost their homes and personal effects. Iím sure all of us would gladly contribute and participate in those fundraisers.

    Please, Stay Safe Brothers.

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    I put this on the Katrinia Aid link also:

    NVFC Establishes Emergency Relief Fund for Fire Departments

    The National Volunteer Fire Council (NVFC) has established an Emergency Relief Fund to aid fire departments who have been impacted by Hurricane Katrina.

    Online donations via the NVFC website at www.nvfc.org will begin to be accepted later this week. However, checks can be mailed to:

    NVFC Emergency Relief Fund
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    ** All contributions are tax-deductible and your cancelled check will serve as your receipt.

    Equipment Donations

    If you have equipment and supplies that you would like to donate to fire and emergency services departments in the affected areas, the NVFC encourages you to work through your State Emergency Management offices and notify them that you have the equipment. All requests will be put on standby until such time that the items are requested from the impacted states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840
    One more thought. Anybody remember Cellblock? Wasn't he a FF/EMT just outside New Orleans?
    I'm still here. Been posting in the Off-Duty Forums inthe Batten Down the Hatches thread.
    I had one tree in my yard, across my porch. A couple of hours with a chain saw got it clear of the front door. The skirting blew of the trailer too. Other than that no real damage. Lights were back on by Tuesday afternoon and I went to work at the Steel Plant Tuesday evening.
    Just to clarify, I'm a EMT contracted through American Citidel Guard Co to Bayou Steel in LaPlace, just outside of New Orleans. I had to get through 3 road blocks on my way to work.
    Several of the security guards and a couple of EMTs still haven't been heard from but all the phones are down at the plant. Laplace was in the dark but we had minimal power at the plant. The Security Guard that was working with me had been on duty since Friday afternoon.
    The EMT who releived me this moring had not had power or lights since the night of the hurricane.
    I got in my car to go home and keyed up my Ham Radio and was answered by my Spousal Equivalent (aka girlfriend). She was manning the ham radio station at the Ascension Parish EOC.
    I'm trying to find out if I need to go into work again or or if we will report to the EOC to help with the ham radio there. I am scheduled to work 7 nights in a row starting Friday. This will be my last chance to help with shelter comms so I will help where I can.
    For the most part we are OK. I've heard from most of my family. My sister managed to get through to my brother in Denver via a working payphone in Ponchatoula, La. They made it but the area is devistated. I've got a uncle who stayed in New Orleans who still hasn't been heard from. Friends of mine from a Sci-Fi club got out of Biloxi and are now in Florida but they lost EVERYTHING.
    This disaster has effected everyone I know.
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    I have family that live in Gulfport, Joseph Ave to be exact. The is only about 300 yards from the water. We lost contact with them around 8 am monday morning, last we heard they had planned to ride it out. This area had 90% total destruction to all buildings in the area. The last few days have been torture watching the news and not knowing what happened to loved ones, and being 1400 miles away does not seem to help. Well, I just got off the phone with the wife....My mother in law is alive!! Some how she managed to make it to a shelter. I will be heading down next week to assist her in anyway we can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    But I know one thing...the friggin' Coast Guard is the most underrated, most taken for granted branch of the military (I know, they're under DHS).
    Definetly agree.

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    Hello all, Glad to see that all of our regular members seem to be around! Looks like things will be rough for a while in Ms., Al., and La......

    From Jackson down in Mississippi is in terrible shape, even though the focus is on the coastal area. Thoughts and prayers for all those in these areas.

    In North Mississippi today, there has been a run on gas, none to be found by now!

    Talked with spearsm today, damage was not bad to his home. We both use the same company for our ISP provider, and it's been out since Monday, I downloaded a free AOL disc today so I could get online (Sucks too!)
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    In North Mississippi today, there has been a run on gas, none to be found by now!
    Not just there, apparently across the entire southeast. The supply chain disruptions are really hitting now. Drudge has a picture of gas at $6.00 a gallon in Atlanta. My town has three stations, as I type this one is completely out, one is expecting to run out any time, and the third will likely not make it through the night.

    All told me they don't know when they will get resupplied. At Town Hall, we're on a priority delivery schedule but our supplier has told us that he has no idea when he will have fuel to deliver.

    Just now, AP posted a story saying there was no gasoline available south of mile marker 57 on I-65 and it was getting harder to find in other areas of the state. If those pipelines aren't up and running soon, the economic impact will be even more disasterous.

    We've got lines at the pumps, but when the police chief and I were out talking to the people waiting everyone was very understanding. We all know we were so blessed. My family is alive, my home is intact. When I see the pictures on TV, not having gasoline just isn't such a big deal.

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    My prayers go out to our Firefighting Brothers and there families in these difficult times. No words can take away the pain of losing what you have worked for, but just know that we are there for you.
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