Whoa, Coz, step it down a notch, brother. That post is almost a year old, and I didn't fill in all the letters in that particular word in order not to facilitate those that WOULD look at that and then decide to go out and try it. Not that it matters as several others on here have already spilled the beans. Sort of like posting bomb-making formulas on the internet, but on a much smaller scale. It's just something I was not comfortable with, with the way it's importance was originally explained to me by the FF from the neighboring city. Excuse me for living. Anybody know how to defeat a Knox Box, as long as we are on the subject? Why not start a thread on how to start up the rigs without a key? I'm sure no one is interested in that.