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    Has anyone else heard about the mayor of NO sending his police and firefighters on a city paid for vacation to Las Vegas. It includes travel, hotel, shows, food and $200 spending cash. I just saw this on fox new, I know it doesn't make it true however they claim to quote the mayor. And when questioned about this the mayor was reported to have said "NO is a party city get over it". ???? how the hell can he justify that.

    Problem 1, what is the mayor thinking? First of all that's alot of cash. More importantly, resources are strapped, people from all over are trying to help but he doesn't think his own people should be working?

    Problem 2, what kind of sleazebag would take up on that offer. I can understand sending your family while you stay back and work (only if you have severe damage to your own home). But this is your job. You didn't see FDNY going on vacation while others came in to work the pile. Hell they didn't even want outside help to remove their (and our) fallen brothers.

    I would not even care to speculate as to how many if any have taken up on this offer. I hope none.

    Bottom line anyone who takes up on this offer is a MUTT.

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    Answer 1: The Mayor does not make a habit of thinking.

    Answer 2: This is more complex. But they are giving free vacations to a department that is rampant with corruption allegations and a myriad of internal affairs problems. It is a bad idea and a public relations disaster.

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    I sure hope this isn't true. I am sure all the emergency personel down there could use a nice hot shower, meal and a warm bed to get a little rest. However Vegas isn't the place for this.
    This is my opinion and in no way represtents the opinion of my department.

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    You knew it was just a matter of time before I got in on this. Too bad jumping to conclusions isn't a form of physical fitness or we would all be in great shape.

    Yes, NOFD & NOPD personnel and their families are arriving here in Las Vegas for REHAB, just like we would rehab our own first responders on the fire ground, haz-mat or any other incident. Remember, this is wide spread destruction. Houston has taken over 250,000 refugees and Dallas is being used as a staging area for strike teams from the west. Don't forget, Charolette, NC is being used for refugees also. We are a tourist city that can accomodate this. The firefighters, police officers and their families will be here for 5 days before returning to New Orleans. Remember, these brothers and sisters have been on-the-line since Monday (08/29/05). NOFD, NOPD and their families will be treated with utmost professionalism and respect.

    Travel - yes, got to get them here somehow. Hotel - yes, some of the hotels are donating rooms. Shows - ??, not sure about that one (rumor control). Food - yes, obviously. Don't you feed your crews?? $200 - probably, need to buy some things (amazing how a toothbrush and clean pair of underwear are important right now). Maybe they are going to give them the $200 when they leave that way they have something in their pocket when they return to nothing in New Orleans. Our mayor is even involved in this and is proud to do what is right for the people.

    Bottom line, we (Las Vegas Fire & Rescue) have been asked to assist with the disaster by sending crews for both operational (Nevada #1 USAR), non-operational efforts and to assist with re-hab. The members of Las Vegas Firefighters Local 1285 are stepping up to the plate. Our department emblem bears the words "HONOR, DUTY, INTEGRITY, TRUST" and we intend to live by them !!

    While NOPD & NOFD are here, I will be assisting in taking them to stores so they can buy basic necessities like clothing and personal hygene items.

    The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police and CISM teams are also assisting in this, so if you think this a vacation, think again. There's more to Las Vegas than casinos.

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    Well said, and thank you from us so far away not able to contribute more than money.
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    Thanks to the LVFR for what I know will be a much needed break for the responders. I saw the interview where Mayor Nagin (who by the way was a Cox executive who decided to run for mayor and not a political insider)explained very logically why his people are getting a tiny bit of R&R in Vegas and Atlanta. He was very very concerned about the health of his responders. Both physically and mentally. Made sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    Thanks to the LVFR for what I know will be a much needed break for the responders. I saw the interview where Mayor Nagin (who by the way was a Cox executive who decided to run for mayor and not a political insider)explained very logically why his people are getting a tiny bit of R&R in Vegas and Atlanta. He was very very concerned about the health of his responders. Both physically and mentally. Made sense to me.
    I would have to agree that it is less of a political football for the NOFD than it is for NOPD. To me, it is all about perception. It is (I think) indisputable that there are FF and PD MOS among the dead still in the water. Sending these guys away anywnere is akin to the FDNY and NYPD going to party while their brothers were still in the pit.

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    Those guys need a break concidering what they've been through in the last week. I think that little break needs to be somewhere far away from the Gulf. The mayor's method of describing the reason as "this is a party city" is pretty stupid though. However, that is just another example of Nagin's total incompetence. Concidering most of this massive cluster-cluck was precipitated by his own inactions and stupidity, i wouldn't expect him to have anything intelligent to say.
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    Considering the number of people that heeded the warnings and got out of NO beforehand, there probably aren't many hotel rooms between here and Vegas. My mother-in-law left last Monday to drive north through Amarillo and then Oklahoma to end up in North Carolina to visit friends, and the entire ride she said she ran into evacuees in the hotels and motels. As Terry said, Vegas is equipped for an influx of people like this, and so is Atlanta. My first thought would have been Orlando myself, but Florida is having enough problems as it is, and with Ophelia churning offshore, I don't think it would be very good psychologically to have these folks near a coast and another storm. As strong as the human mind can be, what these guys and girls have gone through few can imagine. 5 days somewhere that they can unplug completely and spend some QT with their families is more than well-deserved. I don't see them trying to make the $200 into something more at the craps table. And if they want to, then so be it. They have to go back to nothing since most of the department lost their own homes while trying to help others. Short of drugs and an overabundance of booze, I say let them unplug. They're only human too.

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    Can you picture that... they send them on a vacation from this hell and a hurricane rolls into where they are vacationing!
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    I as stated above, no problem with sending the family and yeah your right some spending cash is justifiable. However the firefighters and police need to stay and do the jobs they were sworn to perform. Are they tired yeah, did they experince some terrible conditions yeah. But you don't leave, also as stated above, FDNY & NYPD did not leave the pile. The army doesn't pack up and leave. You know you have a tough job to do when you sign up. Once your family is safe get to work. We have all been thru tough times, it comes with the territory. But if you think that it is ok to leave your job when it gets tough than you aren't cut for this line of work.

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    I think this is a helluva good idea and I applaud those that came up with and implemented it. Public relations, my *****. After what those people have been thorugh, I think this is the least anybody, particularly their city, could do. Get 'em outta there and get them some fresh food, clean blankets, clean clothes, and a little entertainment to try and take their minds off of things for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird210
    I think this is a helluva good idea and I applaud those that came up with and implemented it. Public relations, my *****. After what those people have been thorugh, I think this is the least anybody, particularly their city, could do. Get 'em outta there and get them some fresh food, clean blankets, clean clothes, and a little entertainment to try and take their minds off of things for a while.
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    is a trip to the bunny ranch covered????? the time for vacation is down the road -people are still being rescued and he's sending people on vac. no wonder he failed the people of N.O. he's a moron, someone should find out what this guy is smoking

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    This is not the same as 9/11 in any which way shape or form. No one was wading through sewage and pushing aside floating dead bodies while getting shot at for 5 days without food or water on 9/11. They have got to be cycled out of there. Most of the remaining problems in that hell hole are being dealt with by the military who are perfectly capable. It's not like anyone is being abandoned, again.
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    Nagin is an incompetent idiot, maybe if he HAD been a career government/politician he would have had the experiance to handle the situation, I think that we can all agree on that. As for the NOFD and NOPD, I think it is a VERY smart idea to get them away from the distruction and chaos for a while to regroup. They were essentailly on the front lines of a war zone for seven days straight, the military tries to get the guys off the line in less time then that. Maybe Disney Land would have been a better choice then Vegas for the get away, but i can not fault anyone involved with getting them out of there for a real rehab.
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    Good point nm. You cannot keep comparing this to 9-11. They are different, horrible events. I could sit here and try to explain why these events are so different, but none less tragic, but if you don't get it by now, you probably never will. I know the BROTHERS and SISTERS of Nevada are going to show how much love we have for each other in the fire service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEck51
    Has anyone else heard about the mayor of NO sending his police and firefighters on a city paid for vacation to Las Vegas. It includes travel, hotel, shows, food and $200 spending cash. I just saw this on fox new, I know it doesn't make it true however they claim to quote the mayor. And when questioned about this the mayor was reported to have said "NO is a party city get over it". ???? how the hell can he justify that.

    Problem 1, what is the mayor thinking? First of all that's alot of cash. More importantly, resources are strapped, people from all over are trying to help but he doesn't think his own people should be working?

    Problem 2, what kind of sleazebag would take up on that offer. I can understand sending your family while you stay back and work (only if you have severe damage to your own home). But this is your job. You didn't see FDNY going on vacation while others came in to work the pile. Hell they didn't even want outside help to remove their (and our) fallen brothers.

    I would not even care to speculate as to how many if any have taken up on this offer. I hope none.

    Bottom line anyone who takes up on this offer is a MUTT.

    And so the "swift boating" of the Mayor of NO begins. A typical Karl Rove operation.

    As was pointed out in the previous posts there are plenty of good reasons to send his folks far away. It is difficult, but when hearing something that sounds over the top, stop, think about it, check some other sources, then go ahead and rant. Having inserted my foot into my mouth lots of times it usually pays to pause for a little while and try and think it through. Have a good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrid
    And so the "swift boating" of the Mayor of NO begins. A typical Karl Rove operation.

    As was pointed out in the previous posts there are plenty of good reasons to send his folks far away. It is difficult, but when hearing something that sounds over the top, stop, think about it, check some other sources, then go ahead and rant. Having inserted my foot into my mouth lots of times it usually pays to pause for a little while and try and think it through. Have a good day.

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    Guy, If by now you have not figured out that the Mayor of New Orleans and Gov. of La are incompetent fools you are beyond hope. They should be arrested for derelicition of duty and manslaughter. Has nothing to do with your politics. Even if they are the 1st honest pols in NO/La in the last 100years they are still cupably stupid and incompetent. Would be difficult enough for the adults to clean up after this hurricane, add in the additional human toll due to their inadequacy and failure. Underlines why you should vote for idiots.

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    from the evac plan:


    http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26


    "Shelter demand is currently under review by the Shelter Coordinator. Approximately 100,000 Citizens of New Orleans do not have means of personal transportation. Shelter assessment is an ongoing project of the Office of Emergency Preparedness through the Shelter Coordinator. "

    they knew the people had no way out, he made no effort to move any of them - school buses now under water could have moved many now dead people - out of party town.

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    And what may I ask has any of this to do with helping beat-up first responders?
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    mtnbkrid, my foot is not near my mouth on this one. What is in my post is true, these guys are getting sent to vegas. I don't care if you agree with my opinion as to wether it is right or wrong to do, however the facts are right, the only thing that is off is the money to "gamble" is spending money. Second of all I simply stated what was reported on the news, I didn't make it up nor did I claim it to be true as which you can plainly see in what YOU qouted me as.


    "I just saw this on fox new, I know it doesn't make it true however they claim to quote the mayor. And when questioned about this the mayor was reported to have said "NO is a party city get over it". Right in my intial post.

    So if you want keep telling me how many times you put your foot in your mouth and I'll keep counting for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    And what may I ask has any of this to do with helping beat-up first responders?
    The poor firefighters and cops are caught in the middle. It is part of the perception game. Let the news get out about free vacations in Vegas with no background, no reasons, just the barest of facts and cause even more of a backlash against the befuddled local politicos to deflect the brown stuff off of the Federal officials. There is plenty of blame to go around from bottom to top. Local and Federal It is a sad commentary on our state of affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEck51
    mtnbkrid, my foot is not near my mouth on this one. What is in my post is true, these guys are getting sent to vegas. I don't care if you agree with my opinion as to wether it is right or wrong to do, however the facts are right, the only thing that is off is the money to "gamble" is spending money. Second of all I simply stated what was reported on the news, I didn't make it up nor did I claim it to be true as which you can plainly see in what YOU qouted me as.


    "I just saw this on fox new, I know it doesn't make it true however they claim to quote the mayor. And when questioned about this the mayor was reported to have said "NO is a party city get over it". Right in my intial post.

    So if you want keep telling me how many times you put your foot in your mouth and I'll keep counting for you.
    What I was wondering about was the last where you said:

    Quote: Problem 2, what kind of sleazebag would take up on that offer. I can understand sending your family while you stay back and work (only if you have severe damage to your own home). But this is your job. You didn't see FDNY going on vacation while others came in to work the pile. Hell they didn't even want outside help to remove their (and our) fallen brothers.

    I would not even care to speculate as to how many if any have taken up on this offer. I hope none.

    Bottom line anyone who takes up on this offer is a MUTT. (Quote)

    This was the part that bothered me, why I mentioned looking for the full story. Which we got from the Las Vegas Firefighter. Have a good day

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    I don't understand what it is that you are questioning. Problem 2 is an opinion, not an extension of the story.

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