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    Default American LaFrance SOLD????

    According to there website they have sold the company, no buyer named.

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    Not yet and if you read between the lines they say LIKELY! It's to bad for the dealers and people at the plant they did this in the way they did. Who would buy from them at this time. Until more is known I don't see many orders heading that way.

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    Default American Lafrance SOLD????

    Not Hebe again ????

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    Default ALF news link

    Here is a link to the ALF website talking about the sell off.

    http://americanlafrance.com/interior...p=4&s=22&a=121

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    You knew it was coming. No company who owns a constantly bleeding smaller company is going to tolerate it for long. I say let them go by the way side and keep the original ALF name as a solid reminder of when apparatus where apparatus. Not the last 3 reincarnations the name went through.
    Stay low and move it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STATION2
    You knew it was coming. No company who owns a constantly bleeding smaller company is going to tolerate it for long. I say let them go by the way side and keep the original ALF name as a solid reminder of when apparatus where apparatus. Not the last 3 reincarnations the name went through.
    Ditto, and same thing with Aherens Fox and Mack. Thoese names should be retired.
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    I'm sure they'll be bought. The idea of having your "own" ladder line would probably be worth the admission price to at least one player...

    This whole "swallow multiple small builders and make a large one which we'll sell off" thing is sad. Becker and RD Murray were reputable folks, it'll be sad to see what happens to them...

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    Not to mention the folks at MedicMaster/RescueMaster in Sanford,FL. Maybe who ever it is will allow them to build ambulances on Ford and Chevy

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    Dave- Just out of curiosity, why do you feel that the name Mack should be retired?

    Mack still produces chassis that can be purchased for fire/rescue use, they just do not make complete vehicles anymore.
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    Rumor, and strictly that, is Rosenbaur will end up with them. Just passing on a rumor I heard yesterday.
    Stay low and move it in.

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    Lets not forget the people from Southern Coach.

    I know that Federal Signal made a run for LTI when Simon sold the business. I wonder if they will try again.

    Also, doesn't Rosenbaugher already own RK aerials? It would give them there own chassis though.

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    I agree it is a shame that all those smaller builders were swallowed up, RD Murray and 3D made good units pre ALF/FREIGHTLINER/DAIMLER/CHRYSLER.

    Maybe Alan Saulsbury will buy the ALF line and bring it home to New York where it belongs.

    As for retiring names I sell Ahrens Fox and tho they are not the same truck, I think we do sell a good quality product.
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    Alan Saulsbury could be the new potential ALF buyer; I understand he is involved with ALF process. This would be an interesting company ALF/Saulsbury. If he could undo what E-1 did to Saulsbury in the last couple of years I think they would be in a strong position to provide the apparatus we want. From what I understand from my local ALF rep. an announcement will be made shortly.

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    I would imagine Alan had some type of non-compete clause with E-1. That's probably why he hasn't gotten back into truck manufacturing since the sale. And Federal Signal/E-1 still owns the plant Preble. Not saying it couldn't be done but it doesn't appear it would be easy.

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    I was told his no-compete is up within the next 6 months or so. Just a thought.
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    Just curious, but do you think the sale of Saulsbury yielded enough cash to buy a turnkey (more or less) line-up? Let's be honest, Saulsbury built good stuff, but building bodies is one thing. Owning a company that produces chassis, apparatus bodies, aerials, etc. is another very large step.

    The chassis line has to be worth something to someone. Quite a few builders used them when they were allowed to. Although setting up a whole new facility to build them somewhere else may not be worth the trouble.

    Not that I wouldn't like to see the Saulsbury family producing product again. Eric Saulsbury has been more than helpful with some issues I've had via e-mail, if he sells and builds rigs the same way I understand the loyalty.

    However - Rosenbauer has involvement with at least one Saulsbury family member, and there's a lot of cash there...

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    I'm hearing Rosenbauer is going to purchase them. Eric Saulsbury is a pretty good Roesenbauer dealer in NY. This would give Rosenbauer their own chassis and some new designs and with the input from a Saulsbury, this could be a good investment.

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    If Rosenbauer / Saulsbury/ ALF team up this would be quite the manufacturer. I suspect the final details will be announced when all the top management agree to final new structure. Where will the new headquarters be? I think the timing of Alan Saulsbury no-compete cause has been a factor in this merger.

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    Its strange it almost seems that everybody is "relieved" that ALF is being sold. As far as I'm concerned the only asset ALF has is the LTI line, the chassis has been around a while, and quite frankly HME and Spartan have a better chassis than anything ALF is pushing. We have been looking at aerials and we like Rosenbauer but the RK ladder is not nearly up to what a LTI is. How many department but a "LTI" and not necesarily thought the ALF Eagle was the best chassis to put it on??? So I wouldn't be surprised if they bought it purely for the LTI line and dumped the chassis and bodies. But here we go again a "corporation" aquiring assets, what it things aren't going well for Rosenbauer in a few years........???

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    So what about the department that have ALF's? We have had our for 18 months, been in the shop probably four of them for warranty work. It will be back again tommorrow to our station. Hopefully it will stay with us this time.

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    You are correct the LTI ladder is one of the best in the industry. What about the Tele-Squrt and RD Murray Stainless Steel pumpers and Rescues. If you put together Rosenbauer / Saulsbury/ ALF products you have some product line up. The chassis offering would be expanded and promote competition. I think this is a good match for the fire apparatus industry.

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    Indications from a trusted source are that the buyer is not an existing fire apparatus manufacturer.

    No, I have no idea who it is, but everyone immediately assumes the cash infusion will come from inside the industry. That may not be the case.

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    The differences between Rosenbauer and DaimlerChysler are immense. Rosenbauer is an International Fire Apparatus maker, whereas DaimlerChrysler is a diversified vehicle manufacturer. Rosenbauer is well suited for this type of transaction and will be here in the States for many years to come. They can't divest there main business. In terms of size I belive Rosenbauer is #1 in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by npfd801
    Indications from a trusted source are that the buyer is not an existing fire apparatus manufacturer.

    No, I have no idea who it is, but everyone immediately assumes the cash infusion will come from inside the industry. That may not be the case.

    I think you HAVE GOOD SOURCES!! I have heard the same thing
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    American LaFrance is for sale? That’s great news, since the very professionals whose entrepreneurial spirit, drive, and unyielding determination turned the company into one with an elevated valuation for a new owner and a very realistic threat to its competitors is probably posturing itself for an industry onslaught.

    So, this being said, what makes you pontificators of fire apparatus lure so certain that an American LaFrance competitor is about to purchase the company? Which one of you has the older brother that is dating the receptionist of the vendor that supplies the incumbent American LaFrance purchaser with its supply of typewriter ribbon and paper clips that read upside-down on the president’s desk the terms and conditions of sale documentation that it is Rosenbauer/Alan Saulsbury/E-One/Joe’s Fire Apparatus and Bait Shop that is purchasing American LaFrance?

    Has the lucid thought entered anyone’s mind that American LaFrance – with its visionary managerial team and talent-rich staff – is the type of company ripe for the picking by outside capitalization, otherwise known as private equity investment?

    A company with a proud heritage like American LaFrance is not going to allow itself to be sold to a competitor that will only break-up the company into the pieces it wants while discarding the rest like socks with holes in the heels. Because there is prestige, honor, and heritage to think about here, its stands to reason that it is outside investment that will prevail in purchasing American LaFrance.

    An unleashed American LaFrance with no restraints is a very interesting prospect, don’t you think? The non-ALF competitor that wins the company is sure to make an impact on the industry. Companies funded by private equity and managed by existing staff are well-known for wild growth and increasing market position. Sorry to dispel the myth, but I just don’t see American LaFrance being acquired by a competitor.

    I will leave you with this final thought, which is a lesson I’ve learned through the years: Anyone with no direct ties to the companies in question that tells you they “are in the know” and have it as fact, gospel, and congressional edict that manufacturer “A” is set to purchase American LaFrance has a better chance of winning the lottery tonight than getting this story correct.

    Enjoy pondering this puzzle and refer back to this post when the announcement makes the headlines.

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