View Poll Results: Pierce or Seagrave?

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    Default Pierce vs. Seagrave

    Since we all know these are the top dogs, which one is the best?

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    I personally have no history of what a Seagrave does or doesn't do, so I'll go with Pierce.

    And I believe E-one will beat out Seagrave. Except in NY.

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    How about "None of the above".

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    Never seen a Seagrave down here, buts LOTS of Pierce. So Ill say Pierce over anything Ive seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr169b
    How about "None of the above".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctxffman
    I personally have no history of what a Seagrave does or doesn't do, so I'll go with Pierce.

    And I believe E-one will beat out Seagrave. Except in NY.
    If it won't beat out a Seagrave in FDNY, (and DC by the way) isn't that saying someyhing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackPipe
    If it won't beat out a Seagrave in FDNY, (and DC by the way) isn't that saying someyhing?
    So I can't spell??

    If it won't beat out a Seagrave in FDNY, (and DC by the way) isn't that saying something?

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    Default deceased equine assaulters

    that poll needs several more choices

    "vollie" bells and whistles pierce

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    Neither, based on the fact that when we were truck shopping, local reps couldn't bring a demo by based on the fact that buying a truck occurs once/5-10 years if that......

    Well, pfd, our truck is better than the brand x demo you saw?

    Can you bring this better truck for us to look at?

    Uh, I'm sure you'll like it better.....

    I never buy a new car without test driving one, why would our committee buy a truck for the community without that......

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    If it won't beat out a Seagrave in FDNY, (and DC by the way) isn't that saying something?
    Yup, it means no other company wants to count on 1 FD's orders to keep them in business. Remember, for FDNY, sale of the piece is only 1 small part. Having enough trained maint people in the department, having enough parts in inventory at the department, etc. They don't buy Seagrave rigs because they are the best, they buy Seagrave rigs because Seagrave is willing to build exactly what they want and how they want it.

    If FDNY ever went an made a wholesale change to another manufacturer (which would be a giant undertaking for their fleet maint staff), Seagrave would most likely soon fade away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr169b
    How about "None of the above".

    Probably a KME or E-1 dude. Oh well...
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    Cool

    And once again.... Here we go again.....

    Can you let that horse stay dead, why beat it back alive !

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    Well, from our area the choice is seagraves...not based upon the truck to be honest...the service from the pierce dealer has been so bad that most departments are never going to buy a pierce again. I mean when you have a warantee on something you expect it to get fixed when the problem occurs, not 6 months down the road (which was a fun one because if I remember correctly the warrentee was up in 5 months and 29 days and there was a claim that it was "no longer warentee work" when they got around to it).
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    Probably a KME or E-1 dude. Oh well...
    Now THAT was below the belt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElChup175
    Well, from our area the choice is seagraves...not based upon the truck to be honest...the service from the pierce dealer has been so bad that most departments are never going to buy a pierce again. I mean when you have a warantee on something you expect it to get fixed when the problem occurs, not 6 months down the road (which was a fun one because if I remember correctly the warrentee was up in 5 months and 29 days and there was a claim that it was "no longer warentee work" when they got around to it).
    I keep hearing that, and Ill say what Ive said before. If you have a problem with a Pierce dealer, call the factory direct. We had a few minor problems with our Pierce dealer (as did other local departments). We called the factory and they were on the local dealer like stink on sh**. They ended up replaceing most of the service department. Problems solved.
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    i enjoy all pierce Engines i have never liked the seagraves

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    And out of curiousity,have you ever worked off ANYTHING besides a Pierce? I'm pretty demanding,when the Engine pulls up it better be able to dispense water/foam.The stick better be able to make it to the roof. Both nice rigs,but a lot of fire has been extingushed by other brands.Fire apparatus builders come and go,without local service after the sale, the best rig in the world is no better than a low spec rig with an excellent service provider.Few Pierces around here,even fewer Seagraves. Some days you're the dog,some days the hydrant. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    If FDNY ever went an made a wholesale change to another manufacturer (which would be a giant undertaking for their fleet maint staff), Seagrave would most likely soon fade away.
    You mean sort of like Mack?
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    Our Seagraves are a decade and a decade and a half older then our E-One, I trust the Seagraves far more. More room to stretch out in too.
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    We have a Pierce service center that is twenty minutes away.

    Most departments in the area with any kind of money buy Pierce.

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    Isn't this horse ever going to die?


    We have all makes. Macks, KME's Seagrave's, Pierce's and let see, some brand called American LaFrance or something like that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101
    And out of curiousity,have you ever worked off ANYTHING besides a Pierce?
    Not sure who that was directed at, but in my case yes. Mack (CF & Fench), Ward La France, ALF, ALF/Ford, E-One/Ford, FMC/Sparten, Oren/International and Pierce.
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    Davey,Good news! The query was for Crazyaj ,not you. I've got enough confidence in your abilities that I only rag on you when I think it will benefit me. I've got no issues with Pierce personally,it's just when someone thinks if it doesn't say Pierce it won't put out a fire:Well,I have a differing opinion on that. Our neighbors have a Pierce and Portland's got a few,but they aren't the rig of choice with most of my neighbors. We kinda po' folk around here and that overpriced iron doesn't last any better or do a better job in our enviornment than some of the "lesser" breeds.But thanks for chiming in,your views are always refreshing,hehe T.C.

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    Actually....NEITHER ONE!!

    We received a grant for $250L for a rescue pumper. Pierce sent info but said it would cost more than $300K. I spoke with the Seagrave rep for less than 1/2 hour and without even getting into anything specific he said we can't do it for less than $300K. This in a less than 30 minute phone call!! I guess you do pay a premium for a name.

    At the same time I have had 2 regional manufacturers tell me they can do it with custom cabs!! These are established smaller companies not some fly by night outfits. Any wonder people say you pay for a name plate?

    By the way I am a Seagrave fan and was partially responsible for us getting our last Seagrave at my career FD.

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    I am at Pierce right now. They said Seagrave used to sell trucks here...

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    Default There was a Day !!

    There was a day when Seagrave was the top of the line. But in those days, they also built their own engines, (Kick *** V-12) transmissions, transfer cases, pumps, and even the ladders. Now, they can't keep a CEO.

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