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    General request: If you have bad information, keep it to yourself. I've been frequenting this forum for a number of years now, and I used to get a lot of worthy knowledge from it. Now I just get the feeling like everyone is trying to be an expert, and throwing around a lot of false, or at best, misinformed information...please, if you don't have anythying good to say, don't say it to look good.


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    Holy crap. I couldn't have said it any better. WAY TO GO !!!!!! Amen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pride373
    General request: If you have bad information, keep it to yourself. I've been frequenting this forum for a number of years now, and I used to get a lot of worthy knowledge from it. Now I just get the feeling like everyone is trying to be an expert, and throwing around a lot of false, or at best, misinformed information...please, if you don't have anythying good to say, don't say it to look good.
    Wow. To what do I owe that honor? Because you don't know me? Because I have not helped your department...or what? Just because none of my sources know (or have answered my emails, yet this week) an exact date, means I am giving "misinformation". NOW, if I had said, I KNOW IT TO BE A FACT...the DJS are coming _______... rather than merely an opinion based on the feds original date adding several months for recent disasters, problems within their offices (holdups with '05 AFG disbursement, etc.) and upcoming SAFER, then that would be misinfo...

    Now, maybe I have overstepped my bounds, and you weren't directing that at me. Nor the guy behind you, agreeing with you pointing at me, as well. I saw your post the second you posted and decided to give myself a day to cool off and think about a mature and dignified answer.

    I do feel you intended it to be directed to me. As I said, perhaps because you know nothing about me. Not what I do, whom I do it for, or how long I have done so. Nor have you had the privilege of seeing my resume. I do not claim to be something I am not. I have been working on & writing grants for Fire Departments since you were still in High School, Pride (if your profile is correct). Not a knock on you, just sharing my longevity in this field.

    I have a ton of reasons for helping out Fire Departments all across the US, that I don't need to go into here (not a single one of them monetary or related to a "job", btw). But the bulk of my time is spent helping departments right here in my home town county and surrounding areas...

    But, like I said, if I am misreading the post the wrong way, and it's not directed towards me...then please, let me apologize now. If not, then my post stands as I have written it...my work speaks for itself, my departments will vouch for my creds. As will Brian and Kurt and numerous others in other parts of the country (FDs, FMO, State FM, other grant writers, etc.) If you would like a list of references, in order to feel better about info that I am posting, I will be glad to email it to you, offline...and let me add, please feel free to contact any department - any fire chief on the list I have worked with, and they will vouch for me AND my info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pride373
    General request: If you have bad information, keep it to yourself. I've been frequenting this forum for a number of years now, and I used to get a lot of worthy knowledge from it. Now I just get the feeling like everyone is trying to be an expert, and throwing around a lot of false, or at best, misinformed information...please, if you don't have anythying good to say, don't say it to look good.
    I read back through this entire thread, and couldn't find any mentions of dates in ABSOLUTE form. The post from Dixiechick said "...no specific known word on when DJs will start. I would expect by 1st to mid-Oct., maybe later..." If anybody reads that as a fact or "bad information" they should perhaps take a bit of a lesson in American lexicography. Just my opinion.
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    Dixie - from a novice - i - and i am sure the vast majority of those out here in forum land - appreciate all the advice and guidance the 3 musketeets (you, BC, & Kurt) provide. from the business world i work in - I read... LOUD and CLEAR.... that these are based on information recieved from multiple sources, consolidated and compared, and released to keep us all up to date. keep up the good work - all 3 of you and be safe!!!!!!!

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    I think you will find the vast majority of the persons frequenting this forum understand that Dixie, Brian and myself spend far more time "putting out fires" of false or misinformation, than we would all collectively like to.

    That being said, Greenacres is right, the three of us, and others, collectively have different, and like sources, within the programs and we are NOT afraid to go directly to the horses mouth to dispel rumors and make sure that the majority of the information we post is in fact accurate.Unfortunatley, we cannot discount the hurricanes , resignations of FEMA directors, changes of policy at DHS and the restructuring of DHS which have all been factors in this years grants and the award process.

    I currently have 119 departments at some stage of the grants process and it is through these departments and what I see happening to them, or that they tell me is happening to them, calls to Fire Program Specialists and conversations with Congressional representatives, that most of the comments that you hear from me are based upon. If that information is occasionally incorrect well, what can I say, we are only human and yes, as we have all stated before, we have been wrong about some things or had a curveball thrown at us like Katrina, or Rita, Chertoff and Mike Brown.

    It is hard to be right all the time but, we make a certainly good effort at trying to get the facts out here, and not get the rumor mill cranked up.
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    I agree with those who are saying PLEASE keep providing this information. I have been helped several times by the postings in these forums. Most of us have come to realize that not every date mentioned can be right on the money for various bureaucratic reasons.

    On a related DJ note. I haven't seen many postings lately for new 1199s or questions received. Are we past this phase now? BC usually updates us on the figures and how much is left versus how many more weeks of awards. I am still waiting for news on one more local grant and just like the rest of you would prefer the good news over the bad

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    fyrmanbob there are still notifications going out as I have heard form two other departments since Friday. There will be about 5 more rounds of funding.
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    fyreman,
    I had another department that I work with last week receive their ?'s....so they are still going out as far as I have heard. That department does not visit these forums, that I know of. Keep the faith, for those of whom are waiting.

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    Dixie, When I read those two posts I thought the same thing you did. Don't you pay any attention to them. Keep doing what you are so good at doing and just ignore the people who don't spend enough time in these forums to know that we are all here to HELP EACH OTHER. Jeez. You, Brian and Kurt give out all this FREE information that we use to help our departments get FREE money. YOU three have more knowledge and contacts than the average forum reader could ever imagine. Don't let the one, or two, bad apples ruin the bunch. The rest of us appreciate you more than you could know. Most of us have the insight to realize that when dealing with a project, being coordinated by the government, of this size that things can change at the last minute. I sure as heck appreciate knowing that the DJs are expected sometime in the next couple of weeks rather than in December. Keep up the good work! BTW, if you are sick of reading the "misinformation," don't come to the forums. How much "good" information have you gotten from here?

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    Thanks both of you for the quick response. Fingers crossed.

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    I think everyone else covered the parts about the 3 of us trying to keep rumors from flying, we all try and verify anything heard through multiple sources before posting so that we don't end up with folks running for the exits screaming. And like Kurt, when that involves over 100 departments, there are a lot of messages coming to me every day and I try to filter and correct what I can when I get it. A few weeks ago I had clients telling me that Helpdesk was saying they couldn't buy a laptop and projector to teach FP classes in the schools with the excess funds, when it's right in the PG for the FP program that it's a valid project. Luckily that was an isolated incident and was corrected easily, but if that had turned into a forum posting first, it would take a good amount of work to undo since some people never come back to read the forum again after the original post.

    --Edit-- Forgot about Round 6

    Speaking of stats, here's through Round 6:

    2928 awards for $239,786,622 in Ops & Safety
    831 awards for $146,469,912 in Vehicles

    That leaves less than $9 million for trucks according to the $154+ million DHS posted before that was available for trucks.

    I also heard 5 more rounds, same as Kurt, so at least our different sources are the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cressonafireman
    Has anyone received a Dear John letter yet ? I guess no news is good news for now !
    Until the first round of DJs is out, no news is just no news. After the first round, no news means you probably got past the computer and into the peer review process, and that is certainly good news.

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    My post was, as I stated at the top, a "general request": It was not directed at any one person, but rather the people who post here, appearing like they are well-informed and have "contacts", stating when they think the DJs can come out. If anyone spends enough time on these forums, they will see projected DJ dates of late August, early September, late Septemeber, and now October. All I am trying to say is to please use more discretion in posting the possible dates because obviously, up until this point, everyone has been wrong, and that is frustrating for the readers.

    Maybe the poster had a source who was incorrect, but I would be inclined to believe it is more a case of trying to appear like the expert on the grant process. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

    LET ME STATE ---- I am not trying to attack anyone for helping out departments who need help in the process. In regards to the Q and A help provided on this forum, it is fantastic and I have personally benefitted from it. This is specifically a Dear John issue. Unless you have a REAL source, don't post your projected date. And don't make this a FEMA-hurricane thing.

    Again, this is just a general comment. Please use a little more discretion.

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    .... and your definition of a real source would be?
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    KB - i truly think your (and everyone else's) point here has been missed.....

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    Well can't blame a guy for trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pride373
    My post was, as I stated at the top, a "general request": It was not directed at any one person, but rather the people who post here, appearing like they are well-informed and have "contacts", stating when they think the DJs can come out. If anyone spends enough time on these forums, they will see projected DJ dates of late August, early September, late Septemeber, and now October. All I am trying to say is to please use more discretion in posting the possible dates because obviously, up until this point, everyone has been wrong, and that is frustrating for the readers.

    Maybe the poster had a source who was incorrect, but I would be inclined to believe it is more a case of trying to appear like the expert on the grant process. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

    LET ME STATE ---- I am not trying to attack anyone for helping out departments who need help in the process. In regards to the Q and A help provided on this forum, it is fantastic and I have personally benefitted from it. This is specifically a Dear John issue. Unless you have a REAL source, don't post your projected date. And don't make this a FEMA-hurricane thing.

    Again, this is just a general comment. Please use a little more discretion.


    Not to rain on your parade but how do you or anyone else know what kind of contacts some of these people know????

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    I don't know. All I know is that the recent DJ date rumors have been wrong. That is frustrating, and I'm just asking that people be a little more cautious with their date dropping.

    The "3 musketeers" don't own this forum, and neither do I. I applaud their efforts to help local FDs, and my criticism isn't directed at them specifically, just the misinformation from a handful of people. I'm just looking to improve the flow of GOOD information, not incorrect stuff.

    I think I made my point. Good luck to everyone in coming rounds.

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    For the most part, the information we have received from the folks that are "in the know" has been excellent. I have no doubt that the dates given for the DJs were correct. However, we are dealing with government here and unforseen circumstances have pushed the date of the DJs back. I seriously doubt that anyone is just throwing dates out there for the heck of it.

    P.S. The first round of Dear Johns will be out next Tuesday.

    JUST KIDDING!!

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