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    Does anyone know how soon in advance you are notified if you are getting the grant or not before it is posted?

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    Well for mine, I wasn't notified until the day of reward. Strange I thought. Someone had called me last Friday morning and congradulated me on the reward. I new we had a good chance because of the questions they sent 2 weeks prior. Last Thursday night I checked e-mail, website etc..with nothing. After my friend called on Friday I re-checked and low and behold the award notice was there. Got home, opened the paper, and there it was in big bold letters. The announcement stating our department had been awarded. Didn't know a thing until then. Evidently our congressional office was notified a couple of days before and released it to the paper. I found it strange that I didn't know about it. Good Luck brother.

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    Senator called me on a Wednesday, with official notice sent on a Friday.
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    The questions and banking info confirmation are both sent on average 4-6 weeks prior to the public notification. Sometimes it's only 2 weeks, but they try and give enough time to get everything together after you answer the email and send in the bank form so that they can make the announcement in time. With the deadline for all notifications being Oct 31st, we will all know for sure within 4 weeks who is in the money. 1st round of denials for those that didn't make Peer Review is supposed to be this Friday. That's about 12,000 unfortunate folks, as only about 9,500 went to Peer Review, and 5,400 will be awarded. The 2nd round of denials won't be until mid to late October.

    Fingers crossed. Good luck to those hanging on, congrats to those in celebration mode, and for the rest, time to get working on 2006, it will be upon us soon.

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    Thanks for the replies. I'll keep waiting with my fingers crossed.

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    We have applied for the 4th year now for an engine. Does being rejected for 3 years in a row for the same thing help us any this year? Thanks

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    bod 911 since every year more trucks are given away, and you are only allowed to apply for one, your chances increase with each passing year . I suspect though, that if you have applied for four years in a row that you are doing something seriously wrong in your applciation and failing to properly address the priorities.

    If you recieve a DJ in the next couple of weeks I suggest contacting us ( Brian, Dixie or myself) and letting us help you out. If you will contact me offline ( see profile) We can talk.
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    While more are awarded, more folks apply with the logic that those previous 3 years worth of awardees can't apply. In another thread I mentioned that the number of vehicle apps has been averaging 7,000 for the past 3 years. So for every one that gets awarded, another one applies. The basic check is if you've made it to Peer Review. If you have, there's some tweaking that can probably be done. If you haven't, wrong project. They review twice as many apps as they plan on giving in awards, so if you aren't in the review pile, there are 2000-3000 other rejected apps between you and a vehicle award.

    That doesn't mean I disagree that you need the truck, it just doesn't fit into the program once all of the other applications are taken into consideration. As more and more people educate themselves about the program, and create better applications, competition will be getting stiffer. All of the stops have to be pulled out.

    Drop a line, this balding (thanks for pointing that out Kurt ) dog still has a few tricks.

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    Do the Dear Johns come as a letter or an email. I have never got one yet, so don't know.

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    It will be an email. Brian, you were the one that said you were pulling what "few" you had left, out. don't feel alone though, I notice more and more of my own in the hairbrush everyday.LOL!
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    Kurt & Brian...

    Well, at least one of us has plenty of hair left to go around then...LOL. Wouldn't want three bald grant writers! And who would like to see a bald girl! At least guys can pull it off and it's in style now...

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    Hey, some people have great personalities and good looks.

    Other people got hair.

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    ha ha...

    I'll have to get some pics up on my website...

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    What's a hairbrush?? I need to stay at a motel at least one night a year to restock my shampoo supply.

    While i'm here...we're not listed on Senator Lugar's (R-IN) press release this week. With the 1199 updated/10 questions two weeks ago and a reduction offer (countered and partially restored!!) last week--i'm feeling a degree of confidence. But...if i had any hair i'd lose it fast!! Have any of you ever known of a department to reach this point and NOT be awarded??

    Thanks for any calming words you can offer. Well, i need to get back to pondering the mysteries of life...Hairbrush?? Comb??? Hydrant?????

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    Earl,
    I have never heard of it go that far and not be funded. For them to go through reducing, you countering, etc. You may just be on next weeks list due to all that. Sometimes that takes a little more time to iron out all those details. The Grants Management Specialist are pretty bogged down right now working with the departments (almost half) who have been funded, and those who have been contacted with the 1199's and questions.

    Be patient. I know it's hard, but you've made it this far. Go buy your "party invites"...start addressing them, and get the plans ready...In my opinion, it's only a matter of time. And as Flash said (he's from my 'neck of the woods')most people around here (out in the country...) never get contacted! Fingers crossed for ya! Good Luck!!!
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    Senators & Congressmen receive notice of awards on Wednesday & departments receive official notice on Friday. It is good to keep in touch with your local reps & senators. We received a call Wednesday morning from our Congressman and 10 minutes later from our Senator that we will be awarded $57,000 in this next round for an emergency back-up generator for our building.

    This is our third grant in four attempts. Not bad!!!!!

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    I made my routine check today to the website and it asked me to update and confirm contact information. Is that in any way a good sign or am I grabbing at straws? Thanks in advance...

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    Straws unfortunately, I got the same thing on ours yesterday. Only the 1199A and the 10?s are good signs, everything else is status quo. Keeping my fingers crossed for all of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dixiechicknc
    Earl,
    I have never heard of it go that far and not be funded. For them to go through reducing, you countering, etc. You may just be on next weeks list due to all that. Sometimes that takes a little more time to iron out all those details. The Grants Management Specialist are pretty bogged down right now working with the departments (almost half) who have been funded, and those who have been contacted with the 1199's and questions.

    Be patient. I know it's hard, but you've made it this far. Go buy your "party invites"...start addressing them, and get the plans ready...In my opinion, it's only a matter of time. And as Flash said (he's from my 'neck of the woods')most people around here (out in the country...) never get contacted! Fingers crossed for ya! Good Luck!!!
    Thanks Alana!! I just needed that bit of reassurance, and i'm sure that many others in the same boat are breathing a little easier too. I'm so relaxed now that i may not even check the status page on the AFG site today. I have been looking at that award number at least 10 times a day since it appeared!!
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    Earl two of my departments that were asked to reduce got announced today. They had their "conversations" with FPS about two weeks ago. Maybe next week in round 6.
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    The craziest thing happened last night. We had three departments that had 05 awards for trucks. We developed the specs and came to agreement on a basic spec with all three under agreement. We chose three manufacturer's to bid on the three pumpers and last night was the night.

    WE HAD ONE BIDDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What is wrong with these manufacturers? The bids, from the one bidder, were 162K to 182K depending on the options and cab (2 dr or 4 dr) We were engine specific and not cab specific. The only bidder was Elite Power Products out of Tilleda, Wisconsin. The others invited were E-ONE and Ferrara. Anyone have a clue why the no shows?

    Note to manufacturers, If ask to bid, BID or give a reason why not! These departments were not locked on any manufacturer, but you can bet they will tell any and everyone how responsive Elite was in there quest. Also, just because the grant states 153000 does not mean they are not able to pay more to get what they want.

    Just FYI for all!

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    Which just goes to show you that those manufacturers and suppliers that are willing to work with you BEFORE the grant award ( when you are broke and hurting) and in helping you to develop your grant with assisitance on prices and specing, deserve to be the ones you go back to afterward!
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    Exactly. Good customer service starts during the sale process. Great customer service starts BEFORE the sale.

    I hope they have a service shop or warranty agreements somewhere near you though, they sound like a smaller outfit, and WI isn't right next to Tennessee last time I checked. Regardless of who builds it the truck will need service, and that's all part of customer service.

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    You are correct about the service Big B. The majority of the people at Elite are the ones that worked at 3D Manufacturing before ALF attacked! The President is the chief engineer from 3D.
    We can get pump maintenance at a independent service facility in Nashville, (70 miles) and Cat engine service in Cookeville TN (38 miles).

    The problem is I considered the Ferrara rep and the EONE rep close friends. No phone call, no letter, no email? I will be buying a CAFS pumper within the next 12-18 months. Guess who will not bid!

    Just an old sales tip,"Never underestimate the buyer".

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    I can understand that...but what I can't understand for my FD...is the complete lack of care of wanting to come out and show us a truck, send us a brochure, business card, etc. or call us! Perhaps it is because we're a Volunteer dept. or because we're in the country? Or maybe because we were ONLY funded 175K for a Tanker? It's really insane...We didn't have this problem on any of the other grants (SCBAs, TO gear, TIC).

    I diligently emailed the sales reps or sales managers and asked for packets, explaining at that point we had the Q's, banking updates, and were awaiting the announcement (we were awarded in the first round). We had one or two who came to see us, the others couldn't be botheres (most of them, were 'big name').

    Anyway, we continue to talk to Vendors and meet with reps. Mostly smaller companies who are more 'hungry' for the business than the big three or four...they appreciate our business and treat us that way. It is baffling to me, after years in sales & marketing. But, believe me...we have a LONG memory!

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