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    Quote Originally Posted by RE33
    "I never called her a moron."

    I never said you did. While it is obvious you are very self absorbed, and think highly of yourself, not every post here is a response to you.

    "I have called her a wicked, evil, witch who has spent aninordinate amount of time and energy expressing hatred and disdain at my country, the military who protects my country and my president."

    Asking Bush "what is the noble cause?" is expressing hatred and disdain? It is going to be a long three years for you. The country is finally waking up and realizing that questioning our leaders in not unpatriotic. Bush had a long free ride and now it is time to be accountable.

    "I can send you an autographed picture if you want it."

    While there is no doubt that you have hundreds of pictures of yourself readily available, I will pass. Thank you for offering though.
    Your team lost. Get over it. They lost the presidency, they lost the house, they lost the senate, they lost govenors. President bush won the first majority in a presidential election since his father did it. The country has spoken - deal with it and get ready for another loss in '08


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF
    Your team lost. Get over it. They lost the presidency, they lost the house, they lost the senate, they lost govenors. President bush won the first majority in a presidential election since his father did it. The country has spoken - deal with it and get ready for another loss in '08
    It must kill you that you have to live in Illinois. I wouldnt bet on a big GOP sweep in '06.
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    "poor cindy:

    More about Cindy . . .



    What is most interesting to me is that the press gives this

    little bunch of people who are protesting with Cindy so much air time

    without discussing Cindy's background.



    This is a case of more press bias. It has

    been pointed out on just a couple of media outlets that Cindy divorced her

    first husband and left her son with him to be raised while she became a

    political activist for the Democratic Party.



    She had very little to do with her son in his growing years."


    Please try and deal with facts. The next time a Right Winger sends you an email check it against Snopes.com I promise you it will be an enlightening experience. The really great thing is you won't look ignorant by spreading lies and/or distortions.

    Here the truth:

    Claim: Cindy Sheehan's son, Casey, was raised by her ex-husband after the couple divorced and both remarried.

    Status: False.

    Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2005]

    Another view of Cindy Sheehan

    What is most interesting is that the press gives this little bunch of people who are protesting with Cindy so much air time without discussing Cindy's background. This is a case of more press bias.

    It has been pointed out on just a couple of media outlets that Cindy divorced her first husband and left her son with him to be raised while she became a political activist for the Democrat Party. She had very little to do with her son in his growing years.

    She remarried. The 1st husband remarried. The original father raised the son with his new wife. They miss their son and mourn the loss of his life. They have stated that they are very proud of their son and that they agree with the stance of America in Iraq and on terror. They said that their son was eager to serve and to go fight the terrorists in Iraq. He volunteered. How many news stations carried their interview? Not many.

    So the son dies in Iraq and then Cindy shows up to make a stink. She gets an audience with Bush. That was not enough. She goes to Crawford and demands another audience. How many news stations carry the ongoing saga of Cindy? Practically all of them. Cindy didn't care about her son. She let another woman raise him. Cindy doesn't care about the other soldiers in Iraq. Cindy cares about her liberal, feminist agenda and about using the death of her son to lobby against Republicans and Bush. And the press is helping her. Why?

    Then a few days ago, Cindy's 2nd husband filed for a divorce from Cindy. Cindy sounds like a feminist opportunist who did not have the sense of responsibility to even raise her own son. It looks like her 2nd husband is fed up with Cindy. We Middle Americans should be fed up with Cindy also. We should be fed up with the press. They manipulate us into their "group think" and into the responses that they want on their polls.

    Origins: Casey Austin Sheehan, a 24-year-old U.S. Army Specialist from California who served as a mechanic with the First Cavalry Division out of Fort Hood, Texas, was killed in an ambush near Sadr City, Iraq, on 4 April 2004. Since Casey's death, his mother, Cindy Sheehan, has become an outspoken critic of U.S. military involvement in Iraq, most famously holding a 26-day vigil outside President George W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, while the President was vacationing there in August 2005.

    The piece quoted above, criticizing Ms. Sheehan's alleged lack of involvement in her son's upbringing after divorcing his father, is something fabricated out of whole cloth, evidently the product of someone's confusing a completely different family with the Sheehans. Cindy Sheehan and her husband, Patrick, were high school sweethearts who wed while both were in their early 20's and who have been married to each other for over 28 years. (Neither has ever been married to anyone else.) The couple had four children together, of whom Casey was the oldest. Both parents raised Casey together, first in the southern California community of Norwalk and later in the northern California town of Vacaville, where the Sheehans moved when Casey was 14. Ms. Sheehan has maintained that her recent political activities placed a strain on her marriage that caused her and her husband to separate, as she expressed in an August 2005 interview:
    Q: Have you lost any friends or family over this? Or, how do your husband and neighbors feel about your sudden rise to prominence in the media and the role you've accepted in those venues?

    A: I have lost almost every friend that I had before Casey died. My husband and I are separated, because he doesn't support my activities, although he knows the war is a lie.
    In fact, in August 2005 Patrick Sheehan filed for divorce, citing "irreconcilable differences" as the cause and stating that the couple had been separated since 1 June 2005. We're not aware of any interviews or news articles in which Mr. Sheehan has spoken publicly about his feelings regarding his son's death, his wife's political activities (and their effect on his marriage), or "the stance of America in Iraq and on
    terror."

    An interview conducted by Bill O'Reilly on the Fox News Channel possibly contributed to the mistaken belief that Cindy Sheehan's son Casey had come from a previous marriage and was raised by her ex-husband. The 15 August 2005 segment of The O'Reilly Factor began with a brief statement about Ms. Sheehan's having separated from her husband of 28 years over her "radicalism," but quickly segued into a reaction piece to a spot aired the previous week about Delores Kesterson, another mother who, like Cindy Sheehan, lost a son in Iraq and was now opposed to U.S. military involvement there. That reaction piece consisted of an inteview with Clay Kesterson, the father of Chief Warrant Officer Erik Kesterson (who was killed in Iraq on 15 November 2003), and his current wife, M.J. Kesterson., during which the couple stated that Erik had lived with and been raised by them (rather than his biological mother, Delores), and that Erik "was 180 degrees on the other side of the position with his mom on anything political."

    Isn't it interesting though that Bill OReilly and Faux News were involved in this.

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    "Your team lost. Get over it. They lost the presidency, they lost the house, they lost the senate, they lost govenors. President bush won the first majority in a presidential election since his father did it. The country has spoken - deal with it and get ready for another loss in '08."

    My team lost? What team am I on? When I voted last November I voted for both a Republican and a Democrat for national office. I voted for a Republican for state office although I am very happy with my Democratic Governor. I can't decide who I am going to vote for in this years Governor race since neither canidate is inspiring. Pretty much the same way I felt about last years presidential race.

    I helped the first President Bush get that majority in his first election and I voted for him the second time he ran.

    Now that we have cleared all that up. Can you tell me about the "noble cause?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    It must kill you that you have to live in Illinois. I wouldnt bet on a big GOP sweep in '06.
    Nah, believe it or not there are many of us on the CFD (the chicago dems have not exactly endeared themselves to the city workers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RE33
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    Now that we have cleared all that up. Can you tell me about the "noble cause?"
    Blah, blah, blah. I'm sure by your reasoning we should have stayed out of WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I, because none of those conflicts directly threatened the U.S.A. That means the last good war we fought was 1812 because we were invaded? Is it really that bad a thing to help your Allies? Is it really so bad to remove dictators? Is it really so bad to stop mass killings? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    I am not pretending to know much in this world, but I would ask you GWB lovers if a democrat was running this war from the start would YOU be satisfied with the way its going? Be honest now.
    I don't know. I find it highly unlikely that any of today's liberal politicans would have the testicles to actually defend this country. Your buddy Bill Clinton certainly proved that he didn't.

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    The whole point here is that Cindy Sheenan is nothing more than a political activist. I feel for her and the loss of her son, (who signed up for a second tour) His sacrifice will not be forgotten.
    She has shown her true colors. The story about her NO comments was run on http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=46368
    She has such a low view of the people in the military that she believes that they are there to kill fellow Americans. The only person who said anything about shoot to kill was the idiot Gov. Blanco. The Military i know and the servicemen that I know would not fire blindly upon its own citizens even if fired upon. They are too well disciplined for that.
    She disgraces her son by implying that his fellow servicemen are mind number robots of the Bush administration. She has shown that her stance is not just out of grief but it is politically motivated and now very much politically funded. But I have a feeling that this will soon end. She has called out and challenged Hillary Clinton. Big no no!
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    Sorry to burst your bubble George, but I never voted for my "buddy" Clinton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    Sorry to burst your bubble George, but I never voted for my "buddy" Clinton.
    Buddy was Bill Clinton's Black Labrador.
    Anyway; yesterday, Cindy was busy calling Hillary Clinton a "liar".
    Cindy was resplendent in front of the cameras, smiling, mugging; just having a ball.
    Do you think that she is oblivious to the fact that she should be grieving the death of her deceased son, Casey instead of creating a side show; side income, book deal, lecture circuit?
    Well; at least, Casey didn't die in vain. It put Mommy in the spotlight.
    Along with the other left wing lunatics...not that all liberals are lunatics.
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    Default Am I hearing this right?!

    Somebody point me to where she's gone after Hillary!

    If she did, look for CNN, etc to turn on her really, really soon. They love HRC more than they hate GWB.

    Her 15 minutes will be up in 10, 9, 8, 7.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by EFD840
    Somebody point me to where she's gone after Hillary!

    If she did, look for CNN, etc to turn on her really, really soon. They love HRC more than they hate GWB.

    Her 15 minutes will be up in 10, 9, 8, 7.....
    I, uh, accidentally, eh hem, had my, uh, TV on, totally by accident-I think my wife forgot to change the channel-Fox News and saw it last night. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't saw it with my very own eyes. I heard it, too, by pure accident.
    Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefReason
    I, uh, accidentally, eh hem, had my, uh, TV on, totally by accident-I think my wife forgot to change the channel-Fox News and saw it last night. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't saw it with my very own eyes. I heard it, too, by pure accident.
    Wow.
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    Well, Fox News is the voice of the right....

    But I absolutely agree with you on this one....

    "Anyway; yesterday, Cindy was busy calling Hillary Clinton a "liar".
    Cindy was resplendent in front of the cameras, smiling, mugging; just having a ball.
    Do you think that she is oblivious to the fact that she should be grieving the death of her deceased son, Casey instead of creating a side show; side income, book deal, lecture circuit?
    Well; at least, Casey didn't die in vain. It put Mommy in the spotlight."


    I think she needs to get over herself, and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parafire81
    Well, Fox News is the voice of the right....

    But I absolutely agree with you on this one....

    "Anyway; yesterday, Cindy was busy calling Hillary Clinton a "liar".
    Cindy was resplendent in front of the cameras, smiling, mugging; just having a ball.
    Do you think that she is oblivious to the fact that she should be grieving the death of her deceased son, Casey instead of creating a side show; side income, book deal, lecture circuit?
    Well; at least, Casey didn't die in vain. It put Mommy in the spotlight."


    I think she needs to get over herself, and move on.
    All right; somethin' ain't right.
    That's twice that you have agreed with me.
    Twice!
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    "I never called her a moron."
    OK, I will.

    Cindy She-man is a lowlife whining degernerate whacko traitor AND a MORON.
    Living proof why the oath says "all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC".

    Her son should be allowed to come back and request to be adopted by a real American mother.

    Is that 10-2?????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefReason
    All right; somethin' ain't right.
    That's twice that you have agreed with me.
    Twice!
    Who you pickin' in the Illinois-Iowa game?
    And you can't have Illinois.
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    Hell Chief...that's the first time I've smiled today!

    But, after watching the routing of Illinois by Iowa last year (while very, very intoxicated I might add) I think I'm gonna go with Iowa.

    Of course...they did get beat by my Alma Mater- Iowa State...which dropped them in the rankings to 22. I'll give you a final decision after I see how they do against Ohio this weekend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    Sorry to burst your bubble George, but I never voted for my "buddy" Clinton.
    Then there's another thing we agree on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefReason
    Buddy was Bill Clinton's Black Labrador.
    Anyway; yesterday, Cindy was busy calling Hillary Clinton a "liar".
    Cindy was resplendent in front of the cameras, smiling, mugging; just having a ball.
    Do you think that she is oblivious to the fact that she should be grieving the death of her deceased son, Casey instead of creating a side show; side income, book deal, lecture circuit?
    Well; at least, Casey didn't die in vain. It put Mommy in the spotlight.
    Along with the other left wing lunatics...not that all liberals are lunatics.
    CR
    But Chief, she IS a grieving mother. Every news story I've read lately decribes here as exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    I do not agree with including Congress in the decision making process. As we have seen, time is of the essence, and subjecting that decision to days of Congressmen grandstanding and blathering would defeat the purpose.
    Why not? Congress is the body that makes laws. They should be involved at every part of the process.

    It is how our government (for better or worse) works.
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