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    Wink New Jersey Firefighters Wanted a Beer Cooler for Christmas!

    Firemen, auxiliary feud over funds, beer cooler

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    By ARIELLE LEVIN BECKER
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    PISCATAWAY, N.J. ó The firefighters wanted a beer cooler for Christmas. The Ladies Auxiliary had other ideas.

    "We were afraid if they drank at the firehouse and then got a fire call, they go out on those big trucks and can kill somebody or themselves," the auxiliary's treasurer, Rosemarie Picciuto, said, explaining why the women decided not to fulfill the firefighters' holiday gift request.

    And although many members of the auxiliary are wives and other relatives of the company's firefighters, the women of the township's New Market Fire Company 1 Ladies Auxiliary said the incident was the start of a yearlong dispute with the fire company.

    In July, after months of tension, members of the fire company voted to disband the 52-year-old Ladies Auxiliary. Weeks later, the auxiliary president returned to the firehouse and found the locks had been changed on the cabinets containing the auxiliary group's equipment.

    Last week, the unit was notified by mail that entering the firehouse would be considered trespassing. Now, members of the Ladies Auxiliary say they've obtained an attorney and plan to continue meeting ó away from the firehouse.

    "It's bad, it's petty, that's what it is, and we're not going to tolerate it anymore," said Christina Buchek, the auxiliary's recording secretary.

    But Joseph Youssouf, an attorney for the fire company, disputed the women's claims. He said the problems actually stemmed from concerns that the Ladies Auxiliary had failed to use the money it raised to benefit the fire company. A member of the fire department raised similar concerns in December, alleging the Ladies Auxiliary had not purchased gifts for the firefighters in three years but had bought clothing and parade uniforms for its own members.

    Youssouf said the dispute could have been easily resolved had the Ladies Auxiliary given the fire company access to the group's financial records ó something the women have repeatedly refused.

    "As far as my client's concerned, the Ladies Auxiliary has been nothing but an impediment," he said.

    Youssouf said he had not been told about the beer cooler and questioned its relevance. Using it to explain the conflict, he said, represented an unfair reversion to "the popular prejudice of volunteer firefighters as beer-swigging drunks."

    Company Fire Chief Walter Siegrist III declined to comment.

    Members of the Ladies Auxiliary acknowledged relations were tense with the fire company even before the beer-cooler incident. The fire chief would not call them to fires, where auxiliary units typically distribute food and water to relieve firefighters, Ladies Auxiliary President Jill Hospodar said. They were rarely invited to fundraisers, she said.

    "It's been an ongoing thing," she said. "They just don't seem to think that they need us."

    But Hospodar and other Ladies Auxiliary officials said things took a definite turn for the worse after the rejected beer-cooler request.

    While the women had nixed the gift request in November, for safety reasons, she said, they explained it as a financial decision in an attempt to soften the blow.

    "We were trying to be diplomatic," Picciuto said. "We were trying to say we didn't want them drunk."

    The day after Christmas, the fire department sent the auxiliary a letter, placing the group's access to the firehouse on hold until they turned over their bank statements. In the letter, company Secretary Richard Prosuk Sr. wrote that the department believed the auxiliary had the money to purchase a beverage cooler.

    "The body is concerned as to where the monies have gone, it sure hasn't been to help the fire company," he wrote.

    The Ladies Auxiliary rejected that and subsequent requests for access to bank records. Members said they were not obligated to show their financial records because the group is independently incorporated.

    But Youssouf questioned whether the auxiliary had used the money it raised properly.

    "There are some serious questions that need to be answered," he said. "What is your function, what have you been doing, and why should you continue in existence if you're not doing what you're supposed to do?"

    Members of the auxiliary said the organization had less than $5,000 and raised money through flea markets, a vendor night and other activities.

    So far, some members of the 15-person auxiliary had taken leaves of absences or resigned, Buchek said.

    And Youssouf, who represents several fire companies in the area, called the dispute the most drawn-out he'd ever seen.

    "I've got to say, in 31 years of practicing law, this is unique where a ladies auxiliary is at loggerheads to this degree with a volunteer fire company," he said. "It's amazing."


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    That's just great.... another shining example of us being our own worst enemy!

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    These guys get what they deserve. You don't want rehabilitation help at a fire scene? Your problem.

    Bad press for these guys too. Just what they will need come fundraiser time.

    And the firefighters being upset about not getting gifts? Give me a break. Grow up and act like adults, not petty children.
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    I wanted one for Christmas too. My wife knew better she also said NO. Afraid that I would never leave the house again.

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    I think i might know whats really behind this piece of 'journalism'. I could be really wrong, but lets look at it this way. Maybe the guys thought they didnt need the rehab cause its just not worth calling them out. Maybe they thought 'hey if we keep a beer cooler (guess what guys, its not always used for beer) on the truck, we can have some cold drinks and take care of ourselves' (please dont start on the 'dont drink cold drinks' arguement) And the journalist has taken the side of the auxilliary because they were the first to take the story to the press.

    I could be really wrong, but dont always take what is reported for the gospel.
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    For all the life of me, i cant see a firefighter going to hell. At least not for very long. We would end up putting out all the fires and annoying the devil too much.

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    Hi, I'm a NJ Firefighter and I don't want a Beer Cooler for Christmas.


    All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    Hi, I'm a NJ Firefighter and I don't want a Beer Cooler for Christmas.


    All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth.
    What the heck do you want them for.... you don't need to whistle.... that's what Q sirens are for!

    In case anyone was wondering I also am from NJ and don't want a beer cooler... I want a Red Rider BB gun and who cares if "you can shoot your eye out with that!"

    Hey Patty... while I vaguely see where you are coming from I think you missed a paragraph.
    "We were afraid if they drank at the firehouse and then got a fire call, they go out on those big trucks and can kill somebody or themselves,"
    It says at the firehouse and I think if you meant one of those mini-fridges for your rescue or other rig... I don't think you would refer to it as a beer cooler. I guess not unless you were dumb so I may have to retract that statement after further info comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    Hi, I'm a NJ Firefighter and I don't want a Beer Cooler for Christmas.


    All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth.

    Here you go.
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    Oh my
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    Holy $^&* Bones if you use those as your new teeth... you might be eligible for somewhere a little more.....sayyyyyy.... unpopulated than the Jersey Shore!!

    I have to confess.... you guys come up with some good images when we need them, but this teeth image... that's a new all time high (or perhaps low)!

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    I think there's more to this story than what's in the press. You have this side, that side, and the inside. Any how, I'm from N.J. and I don't want a cooler, just the beer.

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    "We were afraid if they drank at the firehouse and then got a fire call, they go out on those big trucks and can kill somebody or themselves,"
    This is a quote from the auxilliary side. Do you think that they would say "We were afraid that if they drank cold drinks during their rehab, they might get a brain freeze"
    Again, there is always three sides to a story; his side, their side and the reality.
    "There are only two things that i know are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And im not so sure about the former."

    For all the life of me, i cant see a firefighter going to hell. At least not for very long. We would end up putting out all the fires and annoying the devil too much.

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    I'm from NJ and I dont want a beer cooler either !!

    our old one still works
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    Well isnt that just DANDY !!!!!!
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    Did you say dandy or BRANDY!?!?!

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