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    An interesting article written by a neighboring Fire Chief, from the department whose Asst. Chief is currently in charge of New Orleans Rescue Efforts.

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    Bush not the man for this job

    WE knew it was coming.

    Hurricane Katrina approached the coast of Louisiana and Mississippi, gathering strength in the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico. Meteorologists tracked the storm's shape and size, issuing timely and dire warnings to those in its path.

    Evacuations were ordered. People fled by the thousands. Others hunkered down.

    For those of us in the emergency business, it was time to make a last check of our equipment, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Before the rain and wind stopped, before the water stopped rising, hundreds of brave men and women who save lives for a living went to work.

    Against all odds and against impossible conditions, they did their jobs. The men and women of the fire and EMS services in Alameda County were there.

    Now here's what they want to know: Who was in charge? Why were FEMA workers given two days to arrive? Why were so few supplies pre-positioned near the disaster? Why was cost a consideration during the response?

    Alameda County firefighters got a first-hand look at the indecision that marred the initial disaster response. Oakland is home to one of our country's 28 Urban Search and Rescue Teams, made up of firefighters from several departments as well as civilians trained in structural collapse, search and rescue, and dog handling.

    The folks at FEMA wanted Oakland's team and the seven other California teams in the disaster zone. But — amazingly — they didn't want to pay for plane flights into the region. As a result, the teams drove across the country, losing precious time.

    It might have made sense to some Bush administration bean counter, but it made no sense to the people trying to save lives. We'll never know what the consequences were for the hundreds of people waiting for rescue on rooftops, in attics, and under piles of rubble.

    There was no mistaking the degree of the early missteps. Rather than a well-coordinated response, what we got was disorganized, uncoordinated and plain insufficient.

    Days passed before President Bush came to grips with the dimensions of the disaster. His carefully orchestrated photo ops assured the nation that everything that could be done was being done. It sounded good. It just wasn't so.

    The truth was, the Bush administration folded the Federal Emergency Management Agency within the Department of Homeland Security — downgrading the agency, against the recommendations of emergency service professionals.

    To make matters worse, the administration treated this critical agency as a stepchild, a place to award key jobs to political cronies who lacked the credentials and experience to do the job.

    FEMA Director Mike Brown resigned. Bush now says he accepts responsibility for the way the federal government fell down on the job after Katrina. What's more, Bush said he will lead an investigation into the response.

    From where I sit, he's not the man for the job. We need an unvarnished assessment of our emergency response capabilities, not another whitewash from the White House.

    We need a full-scale, independent investigation of this fiasco, and we need it now. In disaster-prone California, we must not allow a repeat of what we experienced with Katrina.

    Remember, we saw this one coming.

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    this can get ugly

    This is another one of those blame bush for all the worlds problems type of article.


    and this is what i posted from a read to rebuff you're post article.

    A good read from Neil Boortz (http://boortz.com)

    Now here's something you probably didn't know about Louisiana and Hurricane Katrina. At the very time Katrina was bearing down on New Orleans, there were several top-level officials in the very department of Louisiana government that prepares for emergencies such as Katrina sitting around and waiting for their trial. Trial, you say? Trial for what? Let's try corruption and throw in a bit of fraud.

    It seems that these Louisiana officials either misspent or misplaced or ... worse ... about 60 million federal taxpayer bucks. Here are some details ...

    In March of this year -- that's about five months before Katrina -- FEMA was asking for the return of $30.4 million that the federal government had sent to Louisiana for emergency planning and preparedness. Most of this money was sent to some state office called the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness. Wait .. it gets worse. According to the Los Angeles Times, much of that money was sent to Louisiana under some federal program called the Hazard Mitigation Grant program. That is a program that is, in part, supposed to help states improve flood control facilities. Flood? Did someone say flood?

    Hazard mitigation would have been a great idea in New Orleans, don't you think? Especially that "improve flood control facilities" part, but nobody seems to know where the money went! OK ... let's follow the trail of $15.4 million dollars that was spent by the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness. The $15.4 million was part of a $40.5 million grant of your money that was sent to Louisiana for the Hazard Mitigation Program. You know ... flood control and all that. Oops! Hold on a second here. My bad. It seems we can't follow that $15.4 million.. You see, the Louisiana officials say that they awarded that money to subcontractors for 19 major hazard mitigation programs, but they just can't seem to find any receipts to account of 97% of the funds. Ninety-seven percent of $15.4 million, my friends. No receipts. That's $14.94 million .. gone, and nobody can trace it.

    Do any of you think that something good might have been done with some of this money? Lives saved? Flooding prevented? If you're thinking that, remember ... we're talking Hurricane Katrina here, and we all know that every bad thing that happened in Hurricane Katrina was --- all together now ---- Bush's Fault!

    Perhaps if these Louisiana officials ever actually go to trial now they will be able to use the "Blame Bush" defense.

    AND THAT'S NOT ALL .....

    Let's see ... what else have we learned in the past week about the response to Katrina.

    Doctors from across the United States poured into Louisiana to offer their services in shelters and hospitals treating Katrina's victims. They could do nothing. They just sat. You see, they weren't licensed to practice medicine in Louisiana. It took the amazing Governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Blanco, five days to sign a waiver to allow these doctors to practice medicine in Louisiana. Five days, while people were suffering and dying. Don't blame Blanco, though. It was clearly Bush's fault.


    New Orleans' Mayor Ray Nagin

    On the Saturday before the hurricane New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin received a call from Amtrak. There was a passenger train sitting in the New Orleans station with 900 empty seats. Did the Mayor want to put some evacuees in those seats? No thanks. The train left nearly empty. You cannot blame Mayor Nagin for this decision, that clearly would be racist. It just has to be Bush's fault.

    In 1997 the U.S. Congress appropriated $500,000 of your money -- not federal money, taxpayer's money -- to the State of Louisiana. The money was set aside to create a "comprehensive analysis and plan of all evacuation alternatives for New Orleans." Now correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the big deal here, isn't it? New Orleans didn't get evacuated, right? Well, for two years nothing happened. Then the Congress demanded of Louisiana a plan for evacuation in the event of a category 3 story, a levee break, a flood or some other natural disaster. The $500,000 of your money got to Louisiana .. but then what? It was spent by the Greater New Orleans Expressway Commission, not on an evacuation plan, but things that needed to be done to the Lake Pontchartrain causeway over the next fifteen years or so. What does the incredible Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness have to say about the funds and the causeway study? The spokesman says that they can't find any information. Actually, we shouldn't be holding the Louisiana emergency preparedness folks or the state responsible for this ... not when we all know it was Bush's fault.

    Speaking of flood control. You did know, didn't you, that in 1996 the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers was going to raise and strengthen the very levees that failed in New Orleans. They were going to, but they didn't. And why not? Because of a lawsuit, that's why. The plaintiff in the lawsuit didn't want the work done until extensive and expensive environmental impact statements were prepared by the Corps of Engineers and approved by the EPA. And who filed that lawsuit? Why .. it was the Sierra Club. The very same Sierra Club, by the way, that listened with rapt attention in San Francisco on September 9th while Al Gore told them that the leaders of this country ought to be held accountable for the flooding in New Orleans. Now, some of us might be so twisted as to think that the very Sierra Club that was so enthralled by Gore's rantings should bear some of the blame here ... but that's only because we just don't realize that it was all Bush's fault. Oh .. and by the way. Why haven't we heard more about this Sierra Club lawsuit in the mainstream media? Remember the template.

    Mayor Ray Nagin is inviting residents of some areas of New Orleans to come back to their homes and businesses and begin the cleanup process. There's another possible hurricane bearing down on the Florida Keys --- a tropical storm that could become a hurricane and could head toward New Orleans. Now it's possible that if over 100,000 residents return to New Orleans and are further victimized by another hurricane and another flood .. will it be Mayor Ray Nagin's fault? Of course not, you idiot! It will be George Bush's fault! Haven't you been paying attention?

    SO, BOORTZ. DIDN'T BUSH DO ANYTHING WRONG?

    You bet he did. He appointed a political hack to the job of FEMA director. A lawyer-turned-horse show official. Then he appointed another lawyer to run the Department of Homeland Security. These people can be responsible for the safety of a huge number of American people, and the job should not be given as a gift to campaign workers. Further, it can certainly be argued that Bush should have moved quicker when it became clear that Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco was in way, way over her head. He didn't. Bad move
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    Do you want to bet this guy still has a KERRY sticker on the back of his car and spends more time complaining about Bush than anything else whenever there is a problem?
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    It was not Fema that failed, it was the Governor of Louisanna Kathleen Blanco (democrat) and the Mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin (republican). Remember, this Hurricane also hit Mississippi, how come no where there is complaining?

    BINGO....I could not have said it better myself!
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    You know that bus that exploded outside of Dallas with all the old people and their oxygen? That was because Bush hate's old people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire
    You know that bus that exploded outside of Dallas with all the old people and their oxygen? That was because Bush hate's old people.
    He also hates buses! He did nothing to stop it!!!!!!

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    But didn't you all know that Bush is all-knowing and all-seeing? Didn't you know he has all the answers all the time? And didn't you know he can come up with those answers immediately without any hesitation? It's almost... superhuman!


    I wonder if the Dems and the Libs in this country realize exactly what they're doing to their next prospective Democrat presidential candidate? They're setting the bar so damn high for this president, that the next will be doomed to certain failure. No one can live up to these standards. Unless of course they lower the bar, which would mean they chose an inferior replacement. Either way they're unknowingly planning their own demise.

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    Hate to start an argument but if you want to throw blame around, continue up the chain:
    1) Who appointed Mike Brown head of Fema? President Bush
    2)Did Mike Brown have any business in that position? Wasn't he the one that was in charge of horse judges? oh yeah lets put him in Charge of Fema
    3) Who confirmed Mike Brown as Fema director? The senate, and they also have some blame.
    4) What about the Emergency Managers for the states and cities, are they not responsible for some of this mess?
    5) Mississsipi is in bad shape but the local government and the state are working together with Fema not against each other. Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco are not on the same page with Fema.

    So While Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin have to shoulder their share of the blame, our fearless President must accept his share and not attempt to walk on water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjohn23
    Hate to start an argument but if you want to throw blame around, continue up the chain:
    1) Who appointed Mike Brown head of Fema? President Bush
    2)Did Mike Brown have any business in that position? Wasn't he the one that was in charge of horse judges? oh yeah lets put him in Charge of Fema
    3) Who confirmed Mike Brown as Fema director? The senate, and they also have some blame.
    4) What about the Emergency Managers for the states and cities, are they not responsible for some of this mess?
    5) Mississsipi is in bad shape but the local government and the state are working together with Fema not against each other. Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco are not on the same page with Fema.

    So While Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin have to shoulder their share of the blame, our fearless President must accept his share and not attempt to walk on water.

    Agreed... and he did. But the only mistake he made was naming Brown as head of FEMA. Irresponsible? Yes. Lack of good judgement? Absolutley.
    But... the rest plays out in the local and regional levels. Bush went on national television and accepted full responsibility. A statement that I disagree with. While he does hold some responsibility, he does not hold all. In the meantime, the Mayor and Governer are still pointing fingers and trying to pull their collective hoods over their heads.

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    By the way, I am rather non-partisan, I was just posting an interesting article.......

    Quote Originally Posted by OFD226
    The folks at FEMA wanted Oakland's team and the seven other California teams in the disaster zone. But — amazingly — they didn't want to pay for plane flights into the region. As a result, the teams drove across the country, losing precious time.

    It might have made sense to some Bush administration bean counter, but it made no sense to the people trying to save lives. We'll never know what the consequences were for the hundreds of people waiting for rescue on rooftops, in attics, and under piles of rubble.
    This is absolutely true, and while our first swift water rescue team was flown, the other team had to drive on a bus, which took about 50 hours........

    Let alone counting the time it took to order up the full team (48 hours I believe)

    Quote Originally Posted by OFD226
    The truth was, the Bush administration folded the Federal Emergency Management Agency within the Department of Homeland Security — downgrading the agency, against the recommendations of emergency service professionals.

    To make matters worse, the administration treated this critical agency as a stepchild, a place to award key jobs to political cronies who lacked the credentials and experience to do the job.
    This is the biggest thing. The Bush Administration does not have all the blame, but they have a large part. FEMA should be in charge of the state and local level agencies prior to a disaster, and they should have stayed an independant agency.......which was the whole point of the FEMA organization, as then it would not be beholden to any political party.

    Let's look at this as a business....when a business fails to provide, the CEO gets blamed, and rightly so as they set the policies. Same here. Bush is the CEO, he gets the blame, and his policies are greatly to blame as well......
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    I blame the Bush administartion. First off, the Hurricane is racist for attacking a town like that. After all, Katrina didnt go after a city like Houston, no, it went for a city full of broken down minority's. Secondly, I believe its Bush's fault for not getting manpower down here faster. I mean after all, its the governor's job to call the National Guard down, but I say its Bush's fault for not calling him and reminding him of that.

    Also, why werent the supplies down here faster? I blame Bush. I mean, he should tell his troops not to worry about getting shot at, that the troop casulties dont matter. They should land and give food out to everyone regardless of whether or not they are being shot at. I mean, come on, its the army. Their job is to get shot at. I blame Bush.

    I also Blame Bush for not giving more money to the corrupt Government. I mean, sure, he gave 80 million but how much of it really repaired the levy, the pump, and hired personnel. He should have given another 80 million to correct that problem.

    I also blame Bush for the New Orlean's buses not evacuating people faster. I mean, sure, they belonged to New Orleans, but Bush should have shipped them gas.

    And secondly, I blame Bush for the levy failing. Sure, its not the national governents job to maintain the levy's for cities, but I think it should be. Afterall, what do they do that requires all that time.

    I say that the Bush is a racist and I blame him for every mistake made in New Orleans.

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    I dont blame Bush. I look at it quite simply... its NOT the federal government issue, in fact we are down there as a favor to the people. Everything that went wrong falls back on the local government. It's their fault that everything went wrong. And besides people are trying to measure our government against mother nature...
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    mitch,

    Do you mean to tell me that government can't protect me from everything and that I might have to look out for myself?
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    I heard there is some guy wanting federal money to try dumping the absorbant material used in disposable diapers into the eye wall of a hurricane. His contention is that it will reduce the severity of the hurricane by absorbing water, and the endothermic reaction it causes.

    The Fed's should have invested in this, so the hurricane itself was Bush's fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plattsfire2
    Agreed... and he did. But the only mistake he made was naming Brown as head of FEMA. Irresponsible? Yes. Lack of good judgement? Absolutley.
    But... the rest plays out in the local and regional levels.
    His only mistake????????
    Is he going to part the Missippi River instead of the Red Sea??????
    Are you suggesting that the only mistake that the Bush administration made was Mike Brown?? IF you believe that I have some ocean front property in Arizona I need to sell, or the Brooklyn Bridge.
    Could this have been a terrorist plot?? I know its Sadam Hussian's henchman with the amazing disapeering weapons of mass destruction.......I guess they really do exist.
    Do I think Bush is a racist? No
    Do I blame him for the bus fire? No
    Do I blame the levee breaks on him ? No that is a local issue.
    Do I think the Bush administration made some mistakes?? BINGO
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    I know its Sadam Hussian's henchman with the amazing disapeering weapons of mass destruction.......I guess they really do exist.
    OH GEEEEEZZZZ... here we go again...
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    My opinion is that the Chief has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He won't, but it would be interesting to see him address the issues in the Boortz report. My guess would be a series of "I didn't know that".
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    I heard there is some guy wanting federal money to try dumping the absorbant material used in disposable diapers into the eye wall of a hurricane. His contention is that it will reduce the severity of the hurricane by absorbing water, and the endothermic reaction it causes.

    The Fed's should have invested in this, so the hurricane itself was Bush's fault.
    You have got to be kidding...right? Come on...you seriously do not believe it?...Do you?

    Were mistakes made...certainly they were....but they started at the lowest level. I know that my department as well as several other in this area were activated on Sunday and in place in the panhandle of Florida, Monday morning staging to be deployed. Some (??????WHO????) made that decision to activate...so someone knew they were there. Why they were not given a mission assignment earlier is a mystery.

    I certainly do not see it as racist. If the population of the city is 80% black and 50% of that population is poor or underpriveldged, then common sense would say that the largest percentage of those who did not evacuated would be black, poor and under priveledged (spelling??). Is that President Bush's fault? Nope.... Soem seem to forget that he authorized federal funds and assistance as early as Friday by declaring a state of emergency.
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    Biggest thing that kills me about all of this is that there seems to be a preparation blackhole along the Gulf Coast. Florida pretty much has their act together regarding evacuation and response to hurricanes. Texas is along the same line. Mississippi isn't too bad, nor is Alabama. What the heck happened in Lousiana? They knew this was an inevitability for years! It was only a matter of time before a storm swamped New Orleans. So why is it that no plans were adhered to or rehersed - at all levels of response?

    Diapers into the hurricane eye? ROTLMAO. Talk about political pork barrel spending.

    I suppose we ought to activate every B-52 to do it too huh?

    What people forget is that hurricanes are part of mother nature. You go around messing with them and mess with the environment in a major and unpredicatble way that makes "global warming" look like a walk in the park. What friggin' maroon thought up that way to waste my money?
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    I don't think it was a goverment entity. I think it an individual who felt it was such a good idea, it deserved federal funding to try. Obviously that didn't happen.
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