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    Quote Originally Posted by E40FDNYL35
    TAXPAYERS-- There is no legal description of the term taxpayer as used in the FDNY. It's meaning is derived from the practice of real estate investors who, while holding parcels of land for speculation, constructed cheap buildings that could house multiple tenants. The rent collected would be used to pay the taxes on the land. This type of building commonly houses multiple commercial tenants. Outside of New York City the closest comparison I've seen are buildings called strip malls. Modern taxpayers are not constructed so cheaply but they do contain some of the inherent dangers of their older counterparts. For example: little or no fire stopping between subdivisions over the ceiling, common cellars or cocklofts that run the length of the building, etc.
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    During my deployment to N.O., the New York guys were nothing but friendly and great to work with. I feel honored to have been able to work alongside such a great group of people. If I had attitudes from anyone, it was my own people from Illinois. (some not all)
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    I worked side by side with brothers from, New Orleans, Napersville Ill, Chicago FD, Montgomery Cty MD FD, and many others. The vast majority of the guys that I encountered were professionals, looking to do whatever was needed. A couple of our guys failed to demonstrate the appropriate level of professionalism and maturity required in such a situation and were dealt with accordingly. There will always be "that guy" no matter what group you are with, do not let those guys reflect what we are about.

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    P.S. Rescue Me is a disgrace.
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    Oh for crips sake!

    Of course there is BS that goes on, of course there are jerks form all over the world!

    Duh!

    We see this every summer when we mobilise ARMYS of wildland firefighters from all over the nation. There are always a small percentage that are jerks and wreck things and steal and have even had knife fights in the fire camp (Gang Related, Type 2 crews form AZ and CA).

    Guess what...thats part of what happens when you mobilse and ARMY of firefitghters or of any type of service person! Which is what has been mobilized for NO!

    Thats something you deal with and expect when you have thousands of personel in what amounts to an anarchy situation.

    Stole beer. Who gives a crap. Was the clerk there to take the money? There were probly goign off**** and needed to unwind froma stressfull situation. You can argue all you want about if beer is the right medication, it doesnt matter and i dont care. The freaking store is a write of anyway, and in a warzone or yes, even in a disaster zone you have to often take logistics into your own hands. If you can handle that they go hungry and thirsty.

    Cuddos to all who have helped, and lesson learned to those who have never seen ARMYS of fire fighters before.

    I think it went very well form the fire service standpoint...FEMA and others...well thats a different thread.
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    Dude, I don't know where you are from and really don't care. Take your toys and go home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spearsm
    Dude, I don't know where you are from and really don't care. Take your toys and go home.
    Huh? Who/What are you talking about?
    -Brotherhood: I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
    -Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of you life is to serve as a warning to others.

    -Adversity: That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

    -Despair: Its always darkest before it goes Pitch Black.

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    Well maybe he met some real "idiots" when he was down there in New Orleans, but here is what I will say. Being in the fire service for about 14 years I have met a variety of people, some "clowns" some real winners that "think" that they know everything. What I will say is that out of all the FDNY brothers I met, I was only snubbed by a few. Most were respectful and knew what the job was that had to be done. After talking with a FDNY Chief he explained it like this:

    "everyone has cowboys in the fire service, and after 9/11 and more hiring by the FDNY, they all have something to prove"

    Now right or wrong we all have the department horses butt, however we have them in Illinois also, along with about every other state in the Union. What I will say is that I met alot of nice FDNY, New Orleans, Maryland brothers while on deployment, and I also witnessed some "bad" behavior by others besides those from New York, some from our very own Illinois contingent.

    What would be the solution? In my eyes this was a missed opportunity of training to all, if we would have intergrated our guys with, FDNY, New Orleans, Maryland, ect. we all would have been better firefighters and came away with not only the feeling of helping our brothers, but learning, and meeting some good friends.

    In regards to the Illinois contingent, all I can say is that it was a pleasure working with the Chicago, Lisle Woodridge, Downers Grove, Naperville, Cherry Valley, North Park and others, but the Illinois Top Dogs (not Chief Hoff or Chief Brooks who were outstanding) need to learn how utilize paid on call, volunteer, and full time and treat everyone equally and fairly.

    Fire does not have the capability of knowing the difference, but training does.

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    FDNY employs the population of a large city in the ranks of its department. In any large group of people there are sure to be a number of scumbags... What do you expect? That everyone of the hundreds, thousands of FF's in NY are going to be what everyone of us expects a FF to be? Thats preposterous.

    Not to say that there aren't great people in FDNY, I'm sure the vast majority are, but if there can be a few sh*theads in my 17 man department, how many are you going to find in departments that compare to FDNY?

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    not to split hairs, fostah, but I do believe FDNY has like 14,000 or so uniformed members...is that a somewhat accurate number? Even so, out here in the great PNW, you need 30,000 citizens to be labeled as a city. a small city at that. Maybe you know something I dont...FDNY has over 30,000 on its payroll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabas
    not to split hairs, fostah, but I do believe FDNY has like 14,000 or so uniformed members...is that a somewhat accurate number? Even so, out here in the great PNW, you need 30,000 citizens to be labeled as a city. a small city at that. Maybe you know something I dont...FDNY has over 30,000 on its payroll?

    OK... so not exactly a small city... but a hell of a lot larger than any other department on the East Coast...

    Also... what the hell is a "Mutt"?

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    First Of All!

    After The Courage Displayed On 9-11 How In The "hell"
    Can You Use The Name Asorryfdny? You My Friend, Are A "sorryexcuseforaman"! I Agree With Everyone Else. Dont Run Your Jibbs If You Cant Sign Your Ral Name. I Myself Did Not Go Down South So I Cant Say What Really Happened Down There But If You Ask Me, I Am Sure Glad That There Was Such An Outpoor Of Support For Our Brothers In The South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamsonFCDES
    Huh? Who/What are you talking about?
    Not you Samson. I was talking to asorryfdny.
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