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    WASHINGTON - Former FEMA director Michael Brown aggressively defended his role in responding to Hurricane Katrina on Tuesday and blamed most coordination failures on Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin.

    He also said that in the days before the storm, he expressed his concerns that "this is going to be a bad one" in phone conversations and e-mails with President Bush, White House chief of staff Andy Card and deputy chief of staff Joe Hagin.

    And he blamed the Department of Homeland Security, the parent agency for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, for not acquiring better equipment ahead of the storm.

    His efforts to shift blame drew sharp criticism from Democratic and Republican lawmakers alike.

    "I'm happy you left," said Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn. "That kind of look in the lights like a deer tells me you weren't capable of doing that job."

    Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss., told Brown: "The disconnect was, people thought there was some federal expertise out there. There wasn't. Not from you."

    Brown appeared before a special congressional panel set up by House Republican leaders to investigate the catastrophe.

    "My biggest mistake was not recognizing by Saturday that Louisiana was dysfunctional," two days before the storm hit, Brown told the panel.

    Brown, who for many became a symbol of government failures in the natural disaster that claimed the lives of more than 1,000 people, rejected accusations that he was too inexperienced for the job.

    "I've overseen over 150 presidentially declared disasters. I know what I'm doing, and I think I do a pretty darn good job of it," he said.

    Brown resigned as the head of FEMA earlier this month after being removed by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff from responsibility in the stricken areas. Brown will remain on the FEMA payroll for two more weeks, advising the agency, said Russ Knocke, spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.

    Brown, who joined FEMA in 2001 and ran it for more than two years, was previously an attorney who held several local government and private posts, including leading the International Arabian Horse Association.

    Brown's testimony drew a scathing response from Rep. William Jefferson, D-La.

    "I find it absolutely stunning that this hearing would start out with you, Mr. Brown, laying the blame for FEMA's failings at the feet of the governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans."

    And in a testy exchange, Shays compared Brown's performance unfavorably with that of former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

    "So I guess you want me to be the superhero, to step in there and take everyone out of New Orleans," Brown said.

    "What I wanted you to do is do your job and coordinate," Shays retorted.

    "I'm happy to be called not a Rudy Giuliani...a scapegoat ... if it means that FEMA that I knew when I came here is going to be able to be reborn," Brown said.

    Criticized by Shays for not acquiring better equipment in advance that would have let different emergency agencies communicate with each other, Brown blamed the Department of Homeland Security.

    "We put that money in our budget request and it was removed by the Department of Homeland Security" before the budget was finalized, he said.

    Brown also said he was "just tired and misspoke" when a television interviewer appeared to be the first to tell him that there were desperate residents at the New Orleans Convention Center.

    Brown testified that he had already learned, one day before the interview, that people were flocking to the center.

    Brown in his opening statement said he had made several "specific mistakes" in dealing with the storm, and listed two.

    One, he said, was not having more media briefings.

    As to the other, he said: "I very strongly personally regret that I was unable to persuade Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin to sit down, get over their differences, and work together. I just couldn't pull that off."

    Both Blanco and Nagin are Democrats.

    In Baton Rouge, La., Blanco's press secretary, Denise Bottcher, ridiculed Brown's line of attack. "Mike Brown wasn't engaged then, and he surely isn't now. He should have been watching CNN instead of the Disney Channel," Bottcher said.

    "The people of FEMA are being tired of being beat up, and they don't deserve it," Brown said.

    The hearing was largely boycotted by Democrats, who want an independent investigation conducted into government failures, not one run by congressional Republicans.

    But several Democrats from the stricken region, including Jefferson and Taylor, attended.

    Committee Chairman Tom Davis, R-Va., cautioned against too narrowly assigning blame.

    "At the end of the day, I suspect that we'll find that government at all levels failed the people of Louisiana and Mississippi and Alabama and the Gulf Coast," said Davis.

    He pushed Brown on what he and the agency he led should have done to evacuate New Orleans, restore order in the city and improve communication among law enforcement agencies.

    Brown said: "Those are not FEMA roles. FEMA doesn't evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications."

    In part of his testimony, Brown pumped his hand up and down for emphasis.

    Brown said the lack of a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans before the storm was "the tipping point for all the other things that went wrong." Brown said he had personally pushed Louisiana Gov. Blanco to order such an evacuation.

    He did not have the authority to order the city evacuated on his own, Brown said.

    When asked by Rep. Harold Rogers, R-Ky, whether the lack of an ordered evacuation was "the proximate cause of most people's misery," Brown said, "Yes."


    It's about time he speaks up for himself. I also don't feel that he is going to get a fair shake with an investigation either. It is (investigation) going to be political, no two ways about it.

    What they should do is have an investigation committee comprised of Emergency Management, Fire Chiefs and people who don't have a political agenda, not these politicians or their hacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trafficjockey93
    What they should do is have an investigation committee comprised of Emergency Management, Fire Chiefs and people who don't have a political agenda, not these politicians or their hacks.

    People who actually have "been there and done that" experience.
    You don't think that those folks have their own political agenda to steer money from other areas to their's/our's? Come on now. You need insiders AND outsiders to look at these sorts of things. The key is to find a good chairman that will keep the committee/commission on track and in line. It is not an easy thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trafficjockey93
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    "I'm happy you left," said Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn. "That kind of look in the lights like a deer tells me you weren't capable of doing that job."

    Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss., told Brown: "The disconnect was, people thought there was some federal expertise out there. There wasn't. Not from you."

    Tom Davis, R-Va., cautioned against too narrowly assigning blame.

    "At the end of the day, I suspect that we'll find that government at all levels failed the people of Louisiana and Mississippi and Alabama and the Gulf Coast," said Davis.

    I also don't feel that he is going to get a fair shake with an investigation either. It is (investigation) going to be political, no two ways about it.
    Rant on..
    I just caught a glimpse of Shay's comments on the news. Sickens me. We get this kind of crap after any incident (including 911) when our politicians see it as their jobs to point fingers instead of keeping their mouths shut. They think if they call for an investigation of an incident they can't say anything good about what happened. Better yet...when have we heard our politician, fed & local gov'ts actually tell the truth & say "the terrorists did it and no we didn't get a memo telling us when, where, and how"; "we had a Cat 4 hurricane...it hit us hard, we messed up here, we did this right, let's deal with it and move on?"

    I commend for Davis for stepping up and saying let's not blame. He's right...all levels messed up. Citizens messed up too but no politician's going to come out and say that.

    In the end....when this kind of thing happens again (or any major past incident for that matter)....many of the mistakes will be repeated. They won't be the same players, scenarios will be different, capabilities will be different, etc. But we'll go through this same BS "investigation" process everytime to see who we can blame.

    I could go on, but I'll turn my rant off for now...I'm giving myself a headache...
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    Default Awful article, Firehouse should not have printed

    I know there are problems with media writing about technical areas that they have no expertise in, but I am suprised that Firehouse would give this article on former director Browns testimony any space on their site. What an awful misrepresentation of facts.
    The media is not willing to accept the fact that much of the preparation for disasters is a local responsibility. THey state is the article that Brown did not perform as well as Giulliani did after 2001, Duh, that was Ray Nagins job. Giuliani was not head of FEMA, he was the Mayor, like Ray Nagin is.. I think it was clear from the first day that the Governor was in full panic mode, and completely unable to do anything but be in the way.
    This is not to say that Brown did things right. I was disturbed that he kept repeating that he could not get unity of command, and his answer seemed to be to leave the command post and take a field trip to survey the damage firsthand. Bad move, that did nothing to unify command. And there were many other mistakes made, but it seems that the locals are immune to any criticism, although the New Orleans Police Chief resigned today. I expect the Fire Chief is probably not far behind.
    THe Feds walk a fine line of overstepping their bounds on every call out, in fact that is the usual complaint that is heard. It seems that most reports that I read feels that all major incidents are a Federal responsibility, I hope I never see that day.
    I am sure that you think I work for a Federal agency, as that is all that is defending the Federal response, but I work for a Municipal Department, and Have for 25 years. But I am still suprised that Firehouse would give this article any life at all, what a one sided mess. I would like to see someone with some expertise break this response down, and shed some light on how a coordinated Fed, State, and local response should be run. THe Federal Govt. is a resource, I have never heard that they have total responsibility for all forseeable events. Sad to see Firehouse propogate this misunderstanding.

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    Default Anatomy and Physiology...NOT!

    I too am not pleased with this (referenced Article), or other recent contributions from "AP" writers. In fact, my campaign in these weeks has been to respond to various TV and Print Media "talking heads" about what they don't know. I have no doubt many of my messages never reach these teleprompter talkers. It makes me feel better however, that maybe some staffer sees them. Perhaps someone will even look it up (well, it could happen, haha).

    What Brown opened with today, was a good educational expose' of how/why FEMA does what it does. Unfortunately, the position jockeys on the Panel already know how the NRP works, as do many in our Industry. The Media generally isn't interested. Their format may/may not be agenda driven (leave this to our opinions), but their methods can clearly package anything/anyone to the public. And said Public is largely driven to focus on the "one eyed monster" in the living room. If a citizen or Department will just get a glimpse of what "tools" and advice FEMA offers them, AND if they heeded said advice, the outcome might be better. In any case they would know the part their local Officials should be doing. As we already know in Public Safety, most don't know how to prevent, prepare, or react to incidents. Some agencies are proactive in informing their community.

    Brown will no doubt be one of the scapegoats in this, as we are in a political establishment. Even the Network news channel I prefer is falling into the blame game. Yeah, I wrote them too.

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    Random thoughts:

    1. Having an "investigation committee" consisting of fire, EMS and OEM personnel only is a ridiculously un-thought out (is that a word?) idea. It is also symptomatic of the problem in thought process about the whole disaster. There are so many other facets to this problem. Emergency services is only one piece. Fire, EMS and OEM personnel are not going to be involved in the investigation. That is as it should be.

    2. Michael Brown spoke the truth most of the time today. He was like a duck in a shooting gallery. These moron legislators knew it was a high-profile hearing and that they could get some face time by being as vile as possible.

    3. The truest thing Michael Brown talked about all day was when he called the DHS on slashing his FEMA budget request.

    4. This hearing is useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Random thoughts:

    1. Having an "investigation committee" consisting of fire, EMS and OEM personnel only is a ridiculously un-thought out (is that a word?) idea. It is also symptomatic of the problem in thought process about the whole disaster. There are so many other facets to this problem. Emergency services is only one piece. Fire, EMS and OEM personnel are not going to be involved in the investigation. That is as it should be.

    2. Michael Brown spoke the truth most of the time today. He was like a duck in a shooting gallery. These moron legislators knew it was a high-profile hearing and that they could get some face time by being as vile as possible.

    3. The truest thing Michael Brown talked about all day was when he called the DHS on slashing his FEMA budget request.

    4. This hearing is useless.
    1. While I agree Fire, EMS, and OEM shouldn't be the sole members of any investigating body, I disagree that they should have no role. I'm curious who you would suggest conduct an investigation if the above bodies have no role in the investigation?

    2. I would hope that Mr. Brown could have forseen the fecal splatter if/when things were to go terribly wrong, and his credentials were to come under scrutiny. As for the intent of the politicians, it was an opportunity to pile on while on camera, and later claim that they were "tough" on the Gulf Coast response for political capital.

    3. Agreed

    4. Most definitely agreed. I'd even suggest they are counterproductive to identifying what needs fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgamma5
    And there were many other mistakes made, but it seems that the locals are immune to any criticism, although the New Orleans Police Chief resigned today. I expect the Fire Chief is probably not far behind.
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    I would hope not. The NOPD superintendant resigned after a brief meeting with Nagin. I think the biggest factor in his resignation was the mass mutiny on the part of the NOPD officers, when hundreds of officers left the city and basically just quit. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not so sure I can blame them, under the circumstances). Regardless, Nagin is accountable to the public for why the NOPD left its collective posts when the stuff hit the fan, so in turn, Eddie Compass (NOPD superintendant) is accountable. Someone's head had to roll for it, and that head is Compass'.

    The New Orleans Fire Department, on the other hand, stood fast and performed their duty throughout the incident, by all accounts. No stories of mass resignations or firefighters leaving the city in droves. The NOFD performed an exemplary job under almost impossible circumstances. I see no reason for the NOFD chief to resign....any lack of preparedness for this event was the fault of individuals above his level.....

    And Brown was not entirely wrong....Louisiana IS dysfunctional. I've lived here my whole life and I'll vouch for that. I almost feel sorry for him....yes, he was a Bush appointee and loyalty, rather than qualifications, are why he had the position. That was a mistake. BUT, he is correct in stating that FEMA is not meant to be a first responder to disasters, which is the responsibility of local authorities. ...

    "I've overseen over 150 presidentially declared disasters. I know what I'm doing, and I think I do a pretty darn good job of it," he said.
    Problem is, he's probably never had to oversee a disaster in the banana republic that is Louisiana....most other states where he's played a role probably had their act together as far as preparedness, planning, and mutual aid. His major mistake was that he grossly OVERESTIMATED the competence and the capabilities of Louisiana's leadership...
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    do people really understand what FEMA is supposed to do? They don't run scenes. they aren't in charge or any operation. they are a support agency. they don't request anything, they do what is asked of them.

    the local equivalent to FEMA is the Office of emergency management. at a big fire, OEM is called out. even though they might be firefighters, they don't take over. they do what the IC directs them to do. if the IC says he needs 50 engines, OEM finds a way to get them. if he needs 40 porta johns, OEM finds a way to get them. FEMA at the national level isn't much different.

    yeah, they can prepare, but it's not their job to take the lead. they do what the host agency wants them to do. if the locals drop the ball, then it's their fault, not that of femas.
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    What they should do is have an investigation committee comprised of Emergency Management, Fire Chiefs and people who don't have a political agenda, not these politicians or their hacks.
    I think you are dead on the money. I think the group should be comprised of personnel from Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida, since the three states have a huge experience with hurricanes. I find it funny that all of these politicians, most of which have not ever been through a hurricane, think that this or that should have happened. I am in Elberta, AL, which is about 20 miles from the coastline.

    When Hurricane Ivan came ashore last year, the eye passed directly over Elberta. We have been through too many hurricanes to imagine. When Ivan came, and afterwards, we found the response by FEMA to be excellent. Our local Emergency Management Agency was well prepared, as were all other local agencies and state agencies. As FEMA has pointed out already, the plan worked in Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. But it did not work in Louisiana.

    I have personally been involved in emergency planning with these storms, and have seen the organization of FEMA up close and personal. FEMA and our local EMA both advise us always, and advises any residents staying through the storm, to be prepared to survive completely on your own for 3 days or more, depending on accessability to the area. Now, my intention isn't to completely exonerate FEMA from any blame. I'm sure they have a share in it. However, with this sort of thing, everything starts at the local and state level (i.e., the Mayor of New Orleans and Governer of Louisiana). Something has to be asked for to be given. They need to know where to take supplies, how much, what supplies. You can't just tell the National Guard "Okay, hurricane is over. Go ahead and head towars New Orleans and I guess we'll just figure everything out when we get there."

    With what I have personally seen in the past, I cannot believe they are grilling Brown over this. I think the real problem here, is that the people doing the grilling have no idea what they are talking about. Also, they need to understand the role of FEMA too. As was said earlier in this thread, we just need to get a committee of people who at least know what they are talking about before we go on a witch hunt.
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    The empty pants suit Governor is on right now. Wanna bet they giver her a pass?

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    How much do you think that they expected Brown to go down like the good soldier?

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    I am sure that they will go pretty easy on her. No direct attacks such as Brown got. THere is plenty of blame to go around, but I Doubt the Gov wil get her share. THe news coverage amazes me on this whole event. Brown was on the stand for 6 hours, and the only things that he said that has gotten coverage is when he blamed the locals. And I am still disapointed that Firehouse picked up the worst of these stories, and it is their lead story still this morning. It is as if the news page is run by a 19 year old intern rather than someone from the fire service that would know how to read between the lines. Bit the coverage has been consistent.

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    It is very apparent that there are those who believe that the entire plan and execution of the plan should have been an effort solely expended by the Federal government.
    Had the plan been practiced, the deficiencies identified and corrected and the Federal government aware of the results of the practice exercise, this might very well have been avoided.
    It's too late to fix it after the disaster strikes and reality sets in.
    Brown isn't the only one who should be fired.
    In fact; I wouldn't have started there. I would have ENDED there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefReason
    Had the plan been practiced, the deficiencies identified and corrected and the Federal government aware of the results of the practice exercise, this might very well have been avoided.
    The sad thing is, the state's plan was practiced by New Orleans years ago using a major fictitious Hurricane Pat. This fictitious hurricane was to make a direct hit on New Orleans and officials were to apply the plans for evacuations, communications, sheltering, etc. According to New Orleans, this exercise were pulled off without a hitch . Apparently, something changed between now and then. A mandatory evacuation of NO was ordered only 20 hours before landfall, thousands of people were left stranded. Amtrak offered around 900 seats on their trains that they had to evacuate from the area and New Orleans/Louisiana state officials refused. It sounds to me that they got a little over confident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    "Great job Brownie"
    Why is it if a fire officer refuses to throw one of his guys in front of the bus he's a hero. The President of the US does the same thing and he committed some sort of crime?

    Boy the double standard crowd is sure out in force today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Why is it if a fire officer refuses to throw one of his guys in front of the bus he's a hero. The President of the US does the same thing and he committed some sort of crime?

    Boy the double standard crowd is sure out in force today.
    You beat me to it, George, LOL.

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    One of the problems with exercises is that none of the top leaders participate. I do a FEMA evaluated exercise every other year for a nuclear power plant and I can tell you that the governor is never in the state EOC for the exercise. Heck, we have trouble getting our county board chair to participate. Thus, when it hits the fan the top dogs don't have a clue as to what is going on or what is in the plan. Hopefully they listen to the professionals but who knows.

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    Hopefully they listen to the professionals but who knows.
    Why would they listen? They already know everything there is to know and they could execute the plan perfectly, remember? They don't need the people doing it all the time to tell them what to do! Hopefully these hurricanes will serve as a wakeup call for situations such as pete892 is talking about, where state/local officials have no clue what they are doing facing an emergency situation. They all need to get involved in the plans, and put their learning hats on
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    Well supposedly FEMA had a plan in place in the event of such a disaster in LA.
    I walked in as they were showing excerpts of it on TV last night. So take this with a grain of salt.
    We all know the old saying..."Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see".
    They wre showing excerpts of the plan along with the front cover of the plan which had a Homeland Security logo on it. What it supposedly said was that in the event of this type of catastrophy, and if the local or State gov't was not taking action. FEMA had the authorization to step in and take over. FEMA was to take over evacuation of the affected area, order the NG to get ready to deploy etc.
    What puzzles me though is that this was on Homeland Security letterhead.
    I know that FEMA is now a part of HS, but did anyone tell Brown about this plan? Assuming this is correct and not some political or media hype.

    Could this be an example of the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing.

    Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
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    1. Having an "investigation committee" consisting of fire, EMS and OEM personnel only is a ridiculously un-thought out (is that a word?) idea. It is also symptomatic of the problem in thought process about the whole disaster. There are so many other facets to this problem. Emergency services is only one piece. Fire, EMS and OEM personnel are not going to be involved in the investigation. That is as it should be.


    Well George, If I didn't know your style of responding I would think you were basically calling me an idiot.
    Also I did not say that the investigative committee should be comprised of Fire, EMS and OEM personnel only. What I said was, What they should do is have an investigation committee comprised of Emergency Management, Fire Chiefs and people who don't have a political agenda, not these politicians or their hacks.
    People who actually have "been there and done that" experience.


    I still stand by that statement. If you want to know exactly what happened down there and what caused the breakdown in so many aspects, you are going to need people who have the "been there done that" experience. Sure you are going to have to have a politician or two on the committee, but not comprise the whole committee of them or their lackeys.

    Unfortunately we will never get that. They already have their scapegoat.
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    I think by fire, ems, and oes people only he was trying to say no politcians. And I would agree with that. But that would mean that it would be handled by assistant chief and down in rank, as some chiefs are political appointees. It would also mean no union members, as they tend to be political. If they really wanted to fix it they would go down in the trenches, pick several mid level managers that seem to know their job, and give them unlimited access to everyone, and every report, total access. Then you would get largely unbiased and useful information.

    Also it hardly made the news, and the 19 year old intern at Firehouse did not even pick up the story, but the Gov. was in the same seat as Brown the day before. They went extrememly easy on her, only a few questions were put to her. And the only soundbite I heard was her saying that she was not here to analyze what went wrong, or answer any questions about the response, but was there to ask for mor aid. Very light media coverage in general, so since the media is not interested in going after her at this point I would expect that she has a pass. The media will be on to the next story before this comes up again. Looks like the only one that will get to wear the dunce cap on this one will be Brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgamma5
    I think by fire, ems, and oes people only he was trying to say no politcians. And I would agree with that. But that would mean that it would be handled by assistant chief and down in rank, as some chiefs are political appointees. It would also mean no union members, as they tend to be political. If they really wanted to fix it they would go down in the trenches, pick several mid level managers that seem to know their job, and give them unlimited access to everyone, and every report, total access. Then you would get largely unbiased and useful information.

    Also it hardly made the news, and the 19 year old intern at Firehouse did not even pick up the story, but the Gov. was in the same seat as Brown the day before. They went extrememly easy on her, only a few questions were put to her. And the only soundbite I heard was her saying that she was not here to analyze what went wrong, or answer any questions about the response, but was there to ask for mor aid. Very light media coverage in general, so since the media is not interested in going after her at this point I would expect that she has a pass. The media will be on to the next story before this comes up again. Looks like the only one that will get to wear the dunce cap on this one will be Brown.
    And the most decisive that I have seen Mike Brown was while he was in front of the committee.
    And the funny thing is; unless he was subpoenaed or compelled in some way to testify, he could have told them to go pack sand.
    Blanco and Nagin should be the meat for the grinder on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefReason
    And the most decisive that I have seen Mike Brown was while he was in front of the committee.
    And the funny thing is; unless he was subpoenaed or compelled in some way to testify, he could have told them to go pack sand.
    Blanco and Nagin should be the meat for the grinder on this one.
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    After viewing these forums for sometime now it isn't hard to see what political bias each individual here tends to have. While I certainly have a strong bias myself, I am very pleased to see that except for one stupid comment that everyone here is viewing this appropriately reqardless of their politics. I understand this all too well considering that a news article here recently had the local EMA director quoted as saying "We are very prepared for Emergencies here".
    That is a joke , I bet we here are far more unprepared than those in LA were and for the same reasons.
    1. Politicitians don't listen to those who do the job .
    2. No one understands the system .
    3. The status quo has always worked so we can do it .

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