It Was 1:00 Am Sunday Morning And The Tone Went Off, House Fire. Well When The First Pumper Arrived They Went On Location Heavy Fire And Heavy Smoke, They Made An Interior Attack And We Laid Them A Line. Next Our Crew Went To Help With The Attack. Now Here Is Where The Problem Comes In, The House Is A 3 Room Wood Framed House And Not Many Can Fit Inside. Now There Are 2 Pumper Crews And Ladder Crew Doing A Search. Here Comes Another Crew Wanting In On The Action. What Is Wrong With This Picture, Am I The Only One Who Has Had This Problem, Too Many Ff In A Small House Trying To Work A Fire, Am I The Only One Who Thinks This Is Not Very Safe?
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09-30-2005, 03:09 AM #1
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Too Many Ff
09-30-2005, 11:40 AM #2
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Be careful who you complain to about this. You don't want to let ANYONE off-the-job to hear you complaining about "too many" FF's under any circumstances.
That being said, yes my department (Providence Fire Dept.) sometimes experiences similar situations - especially now that the frequency of fires is less than it was a few years ago. Everyone wants to be in on the action but it's up to the company officers to not allow overcrowding on the fire floor to happen. Take your crew to another location - or hold them in reserve (outside the building) until you're needed."A WORKING CLASS HERO IS SOMETHING TO BE"
09-30-2005, 12:09 PM #3
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I certainly would rather have too many than not enough. I know everyone wants to get in on the action, but how about taking a few of those guys out of the mix for a RIT team, if that hasn't already been done (maybe you already had one, I don't know....I know that in many departments it doesn't happen due to lack of manpower). Or just rotate the crews out more frequently...the weather is still hot (at least here it is), use the extra hands to your advantage by keeping everybody fresh.
I understand where you're coming from, though....I've been on some scenes where the house got a little crowded. A good incident commander will control this by only committing the resources needed to safely and efficiently handle the interior ops without stepping on each other. Less people inside = less FF's at risk if something goes bad.
If someone gets their feelings hurt because they didn't get to go inside, well, they need to grow up.Chief Dwayne LeBlanc
Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
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09-30-2005, 03:55 PM #4Originally Posted by COOLHANDLUKE
Stop knocking the manpower. In my department, we use all the members that are assigned to the job. I agree that having three crews, not knowing how many on each crew, we run with 5 and 5, would be a lot of members in this cracker box. Maybe one engine and truck crew would have been plenty. I wasn't the IC and don't what the IC had in mind, but my question is, Did the fire get put out?? Or did you make another parking lot?
Where are you located? Does your department have adequate manning?
Also, why are you making all you word begins in Caps?????????OUTSTANDING
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09-30-2005, 05:04 PM #5
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to many ff
First thanx for your respone but I have not complained to anyone about it in my dept. I am really not upset, I just feel that sometimes crews get a little eager and that could be a problem. Next, it is not always better to have too many in an IDLH environment it could cause problems with accountablity and injury. As far as the scence is concerened sure plenty of man power is great. The IC far that particular incident is very good so I don't the order came from him. Anyway I was just wondering if any you others were having these same experiences.
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