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    Quote Originally Posted by jensam433
    The problem is that he is entitled to wear the dress uniform of the FDNY and attend FDNY functions and while doing so represents all of the members of the Department. I donít think he can do his job. Good riddance.
    And would have held the rank of Deputy Chief


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    Quote Originally Posted by Firescueguy
    NAH, NAH, NAH, NAH......HEY, HEY, HEY...GOODBYE"...good riddens habib...

    George, don't even get me started...

    Conspiracy theories aside, I am confident that the 71 "Virginians" (not virgins) that met each one of those 19 *********s when they arrived at Allah's door have already taken care of their "eternal bliss"..."hey boy, so y'all don't like Americans huh...I reckon we gonna have to git-r-done"...ah salami lickum Mohammed...POW (Batman sound effects)...

    Just my 3 cents...Stay Safe...

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    October 1, 2005 -- The Fire Department's Muslim chaplain abruptly resigned yesterday after saying that a conspiracy - not 19 Al Qaeda terrorists - may be responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.
    "Look, I'm glad that he resigned," Mayor Bloomberg said, pledging to find out how Imam Intikab Habib's controversial views were not uncovered before he was hired six weeks ago.
    "This is not a person who should be representing a department that was devastated on 9/11 and answering their spiritual needs," Bloomberg said. "Resigning was the right thing to do. I'm glad he did it quickly."
    The soft-spoken Queens chaplain ignited an uproar when he said a conspiracy may have been behind the World Trade Center attacks that killed more than 2,700 people, among them 343 FDNY members.
    "I, as an individual, don't know who did the attacks," Habib, 30, told Newsday in yesterday's editions. "I don't believe it was 19 ... hijackers who did those attacks." "It takes two or three weeks to demolish a building like that. But it was pulled down in a couple of hours," he said. "Was it 19 hijackers who brought it down or was it a conspiracy?"
    The theory, popular in some Islamic circles, infuriated the FDNY's rank and file.
    "It is an embarrassment to every New York City firefighter and painful to the families of the 343 we lost on 9/11 that this fiasco took place," Uniformed Firefighters Association President Stephen Cassidy said.
    Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta announced Habib's resignation at FDNY headquarters, saying Habib had been nominated by the department's Islamic Society and passed a background check. "There has been no prior indication that he held those views," Scoppetta said.
    The Islamic Society withdrew its endorsement of Habib yesterday. The FDNY has a rabbi and seven Christian chaplains and will continue to search for a Muslim chaplain to fill the $18,000-a-year part-time job."I did not want to resign, but it was best for the department," Habib told reporters after stepping down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firescueguy
    NAH, NAH, NAH, NAH......HEY, HEY, HEY...GOODBYE"...good riddens habib...

    George, don't even get me started...

    Conspiracy theories aside, I am confident that the 71 "Virginians" (not virgins) that met each one of those 19 *********s when they arrived at Allah's door have already taken care of their "eternal bliss"..."hey boy, so y'all don't like Americans huh...I reckon we gonna have to git-r-done"...ah salami lickum Mohammed...POW (Batman sound effects)...

    Just my 3 cents...Stay Safe...
    You realize, of course, my post was dripping with sarcasm.

    They got the Billy Bob routine up there because they misread the Koran. It said "Virginians" not "Virgins".

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    Default Well I am missing something.....

    How did this guy get hired anyway? I am not meaning to knock the entire muslim religion, but how many muslims are on the FDNY. My first guess would be zero, but there may be a couple.

    The point being, why did the trumpet blowers of the FDNY ever see it appropriate to hire a muslim "chaplin" for 10,000 catholics???

    Is it just me??
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    Hey,they're trying to be diverse there.Just like WW Herenton was when he was elected to Mayor of Memphis.Remember how fun THAT was?
    To be frank,if I were needing Last Rites,all that would matter to me would be that they got the words right.What skin color or religion they followed wouldn't matter now or then.


    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a
    How did this guy get hired anyway? I am not meaning to knock the entire muslim religion, but how many muslims are on the FDNY. My first guess would be zero, but there may be a couple.

    The point being, why did the trumpet blowers of the FDNY ever see it appropriate to hire a muslim "chaplin" for 10,000 catholics???

    Is it just me??

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson
    Hey,they're trying to be diverse there.Just like WW Herenton was when he was elected to Mayor of Memphis.Remember how fun THAT was?
    To be frank,if I were needing Last Rites,all that would matter to me would be that they got the words right.What skin color or religion they followed wouldn't matter now or then.



    What do you mean was?? Herenton is still here!!

    As far as your point goes, you kinda made mine as well. Correct me if I am wrong, but muslims don't believe or practice last rights. I she gonna carry a card around like miranda rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a
    How did this guy get hired anyway? I am not meaning to knock the entire muslim religion, but how many muslims are on the FDNY. My first guess would be zero, but there may be a couple.
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    Is it just me??
    Yes, it's just you.

    FDNY's Islamic Society requested the Imam as a Muslim Chaplain. I don't know how many FDNY members are Muslim but, given that FDNY has an "Islamic Society," it would seem certain that the number is non-zero.

    (FWIW, Islam is arguably the fastest growing religion in the US. Statistically, about 5 in every 1,000 Americans is Muslim.)

    IMHO, the Imam's words were ill considered but he at least had the good grace to realize it and resign before it became a larger issue. Hopefully his replacement will be more careful about expressing his political opinions in public.
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    Quote:

    FDNY's Islamic Society requested the Imam as a Muslim Chaplain. I don't know how many FDNY members are Muslim but, given that FDNY has an "Islamic Society," it would seem certain that the number is non-zero.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal
    Yes, it's just you.

    FDNY's Islamic Society requested the Imam as a Muslim Chaplain. I don't know how many FDNY members are Muslim but, given that FDNY has an "Islamic Society," it would seem certain that the number is non-zero.

    (FWIW, Islam is arguably the fastest growing religion in the US. Statistically, about 5 in every 1,000 Americans is Muslim.)

    IMHO, the Imam's words were ill considered but he at least had the good grace to realize it and resign before it became a larger issue. Hopefully his replacement will be more careful about expressing his political opinions in public.
    Statistically speaking, that would make about 60 Muslims, right?

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    IMHO, the Imam's words were ill considered but he at least had the good grace to realize it and resign before it became a larger issue. Hopefully his replacement will be more careful about expressing his political opinions in public.
    Actually he didn't want to resign originally however the powers that be convinced him otherwise. He stated he didn't understand why he should resign but did it anyway. The fact that he came this far and a reporter by chance discovered his true feelings is an abomination. How can you pick a Chaplin who was trained in Saudi Arabia for gods sake and not ask what his feelings were towards the 9-11 attacks or all the other terrorist attacks perpatrated by islamic nut jobs?

    This is just another insult from this empty suit commish who has the blood of our departed brothers on his hands and has done every thing to destroy this job with his ignorance and incompetance.

    Mr. Magoo should resign in light of this lastest foul up. However I'm sure we'll get more PC BS from this clown.

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    What's with all the whining, crying and complaining? What did you expect to get from a muslim? If you ask me, it appears that FDNY got what they paid for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurdFergeson
    What's with all the whining, crying and complaining? What did you expect to get from a muslim? If you ask me, it appears that FDNY got what they paid for.
    Is the religion bashing really necessary? If you disagree with the man's politics, fine. But making bigotted statements about his religion -- which many of your brother firefighters share, BTW -- is over the top.

    Odds are you yourself are a Christian of one flavor or another. Are you even aware that Islam is far more like Christianity than unlike it? Both religious groups share a common religious heritage and both pray to the same G_d of Abraham/Ilbrahim.

    Remember, religious fanaticism and intolerance is what brought us 9-11 in the first place.
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    October 1, 2005 -- The Fire Department has hired two Muslim chaplains in the past four years, and the process was badly flawed each time.
    The first, Imam Abd'Allah Adesanya, was hired in 2001 over the objections of its Islamic Society, never gained the trust of Muslim fire personnel, and quietly left the department last year, officials said.
    The latest, Imam Intikab Habib, was hired with the enthusiastic support of the Islamic Society of Fire Department Personnel. He left the job Friday, less than two hours before he was to be officially sworn in, after admitting he had doubts about the official version of events surrounding the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
    The department said Friday that it would continue its search for a new imam in its usual manner, seeking comment from religious and fraternal organizations and members of the candidates' religious hierarchy.
    Neither the Islamic Society nor the Fire Department would say how many Muslims were in the department, but estimates range from 50 to 150, including firefighters, emergency medical personnel and civilians. "At the present time we have no plans to change our procedures," department spokeswoman Virginia Lam said. Depositions in 2001 in a lawsuit by the Islamic Society seeking to force the appointment of an imam suggested that religious leaders played a major role in who became a chaplain.
    The Rev. John Delendick, now a chaplain, said the only person who interviewed him for the job was Bishop Thomas Daily of the Brooklyn Diocese. "After I submitted the application... I received a phone call from Bishop Daily giving me the appointment. The following day I received a letter from the Fire Department stating that I had been hired," Delendick said in his deposition.
    Rabbi Mayer Birnhack, who was an Emergency Medical Service chaplain with the Fire Department, was asked during his deposition in 2001 whether "the Fire Department requested the Board of Rabbis to select a new Jewish chaplain?" "One hundred percent. One hundred percent," he said. Lam did not dispute the deposition testimony, but said the selection process was wider than was stated. The department currently has six chaplains, four Roman Catholic priests, one Protestant minister and one rabbi.
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    I think that he already has a lawyer lined up, compliments of the ACLU, will claim hostile work environment or free speech infringement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefReason
    I think that he already has a lawyer lined up, compliments of the ACLU, will claim hostile work environment or free speech infringement.
    That's sad.

    If he had issues he should not have resigned under pressure.

    I wish him well, but I think he'll have a rough row to hoe after he voluntarily resigned.

    (In case anyone wonders why this is an issue for me. I'm one of those minority religion firefighters.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal
    Is the religion bashing really necessary? If you disagree with the man's politics, fine. But making bigotted statements about his religion -- which many of your brother firefighters share, BTW -- is over the top.

    Odds are you yourself are a Christian of one flavor or another. Are you even aware that Islam is far more like Christianity than unlike it? Both religious groups share a common religious heritage and both pray to the same G_d of Abraham/Ilbrahim.

    Remember, religious fanaticism and intolerance is what brought us 9-11 in the first place.
    Here's a quiz:

    Which Christians flew planes into buildings in the name of their God?

    Which Christians strapped bombs around their waist and went into a nightclub (twice) and blew themselves up in a crowd of people?

    Which Christians drove truck bombs into a US Military facility and detonated them?

    I could go on, but we will let this quiz be part one.

    anybodyt else sick of hearing how Islam is "just like Christianity?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Here's a quiz:

    Which Christians flew planes into buildings in the name of their God?

    Which Christians strapped bombs around their waist and went into a nightclub (twice) and blew themselves up in a crowd of people?

    Which Christians drove truck bombs into a US Military facility and detonated them?

    I could go on, but we will let this quiz be part one.

    anybodyt else sick of hearing how Islam is "just like Christianity?"
    But it's okay George, he's one of the "minority firefighters"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal
    Is the religion bashing really necessary? If you disagree with the man's politics, fine. But making bigotted statements about his religion -- which many of your brother firefighters share, BTW -- is over the top.

    Odds are you yourself are a Christian of one flavor or another. Are you even aware that Islam is far more like Christianity than unlike it? Both religious groups share a common religious heritage and both pray to the same G_d of Abraham/Ilbrahim.

    Remember, religious fanaticism and intolerance is what brought us 9-11 in the first place.
    I wasn't bashing Islam. But why would you expect a muslim to speak against other muslims. As far as Islam being like Christianity, that is far from the truth. But the gist of my message was, NYC shouldn't be surprised with this guy's statements. If a catholic chaplin said it, then I'd be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Here's a quiz:

    Which Christians flew planes into buildings in the name of their God?

    Which Christians strapped bombs around their waist and went into a nightclub (twice) and blew themselves up in a crowd of people?

    Which Christians drove truck bombs into a US Military facility and detonated them?

    I could go on, but we will let this quiz be part one.

    anybodyt else sick of hearing how Islam is "just like Christianity?"
    Which Christian blew up the Oklahoma City bld. and countless abortion clinics? Lets not even mention factions like the IRA

    The religious beliefs are very similar actually. Fanatics are in both religions.
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