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    Question Mandatory Training for all Departments????

    Is there mandatory training such as NIMS that must be completed by September 2006? We have been told that there is, but our county fire coordinator doesn't let us know much....

    We have been told that if we don't have it, we will not be eligible for grants or other funding.

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    Don't shoot me either, but I think that is Sept. 2005 for the NIMS training. I have talked to a member of the Texas Commission on Fire Protection and he talks directly with FEMA and still doesn't know what NIMS compliance accually is. I figure that we do what we can and hope for the best.
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    Trojan Horse is correct, in part. I just took the class this weekend and here is the scoop as I understand it. To be eligable for federal funding, your entire department must have the basic NIMS class by September 2006 (it was pushed back from 2005). In addition to that, your local government (or county if you operate in a county situation) must formally adopt NIMS as your incident command system with a resolution or declaration signed by the highest elected official in your jurisdiction. They also must agree to, now here is the really bull**** part, to train EVERYONE that COULD respond to a haz-mat situation or terrorist attack within that city, town, village, county etc. on NIMS by having them take the course. This includes all the cops, EMS, and gov't department heads all the way down to the dump truck driver who may deliver a load of sand and the loader operator that may be moving that sand or debris around. It also includes gov't admin leaders and office staff that may be used on scene or has ANY command/management/tracking (including admin like non-fire department finance) function at all.

    All fire department supervisory will have to have the entire series of Incident Command courses. I posed the problem of rural departments where often firefighters have to take command if officers are not around and the answer was ..."legally nobody can take command then" .... and that was after the speech about somebody has to take command.

    Yes. it does sound messed up and once again it's an example of the feds being completly out of touch with reality. I can see it now .... our parish sheriff's taking a NIMS class with the Bubba who drives the loader for our highway department and the women from the finace department at the Police Jury office. Man, this is just soooooooooo never gonna happen.

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    Check out the USFA's website for NIMS independent study courses.
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    If things have changed, they haven't updated their web site!!!!!!

    This is from FEMA web site:

    MINIMUM NIMS COMPLIANCE ACTIVITIES TO BE ACHIEVED DURING FY 2005

    State and territory level efforts to implement the NIMS must include the following:

    ? Incorporate NIMS into existing training programs and exercises;
    ? Ensure that federal preparedness funding supports state, local and tribal NIMS implementation;
    ? Incorporate NIMS into Emergency Operations Plans;
    ? Promote intrastate mutual aid agreements;
    ? Coordinate and provide NIMS technical assistance to local entities; and
    ? Institutionalize the use of the Incident Command System.


    At the state, territorial, tribal and local levels, jurisdictions should support NIMS implementation by:

    ? Completing the NIMS Awareness Course: "National Incident Management System (NIMS), An
    Introduction" IS 700. This independent study course developed by the Emergency Management Institute
    (EMI) explains the purpose, principles, key components and benefits of NIMS. The course is available
    on the EMI web page at: http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/is700.asp.

    ? Formally recognizing the NIMS and adopting NIMS principles and policies. States, territories, tribes and
    local entities should establish legislation, executive orders, resolutions or ordinances to formally adopt
    the NIMS. Go to http://www.fema.gov/nims and click on Tools and Templates for examples.

    ? Establish a baseline by determining which NIMS requirements you already meet. Clearly state,
    territorial, tribal, and local entities have already implemented many of the concepts and protocols
    identified in the NIMS. As gaps in compliance with the NIMS are identified, States, territories, tribes,
    and local entities should use existing initiatives such as the Office for Domestic Preparedness (ODP)
    Homeland Security grant programs, to develop strategies for addressing those gaps.

    ? Establishing a timeframe and developing a strategy for full NIMS implementation. States, territories,
    tribes, and local entities are encouraged to achieve full NIMS implementation during FY 2005. To the
    extent that full implementation is not possible during FY 2005, which ends on Sept. 30, 2005, federal
    preparedness assistance must be leveraged to complete NIMS implementation by Sept. 30, 2006.
    Beginning FY 2007 (Oct. 1, 2006), federal preparedness assistance will be conditioned by full
    compliance with the NIMS. States should work with the tribal and local governments to develop a
    strategy for statewide compliance with the NIMS.

    ? Institutionalizing the use of the Incident Command System (ICS). If state, territorial, tribal and local
    entities are not already using ICS, you must institutionalize the use of ICS (consistent with the concepts
    and principles taught by DHS) across the entire response system. See Terms and Definitions:
    Institutionalizing the Use of ICS on the NIMS Homepage at http://www.fema.gov/nims.
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    Oh Wonderful

    FEMA, that 'marvel of efficiency and competence', is now telling everybody that they have to use THEIR incident command system?

    After their last fiasco, it would appear obvious that tbey lack the competency to get a cat out of a tree!

    And we should be using THEIR system????


    Gimme a break!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonemac
    Oh Wonderful

    FEMA, that 'marvel of efficiency and competence', is now telling everybody that they have to use THEIR incident command system?
    ....
    Gimme a break!
    FWIW, "their" incident command system is the same ICS most of us in the fire service have been using for the last 15-20 years anyway so it shouldn't be much of a stretch.

    The only addition is the NIMS layer (which is based on the same principles as ICS) for overall management. NIMS is just a reformulated, more ICS compatible overall managment system to do what Emergency Managers have also been doing for 15-20 years.

    IOW, NIMS & ICS aren't introducing anything new. ICS is virtually unchanged and NIMS just seeks to standardize terminology and management structure of what people in Emergency Preparedness have been doing all along. (And what people in Civil Defense were doing long before that...)
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    [QUOTE=jonemac]

    After their last fiasco, it would appear obvious that tbey lack the competency to get a cat out of a tree!


    You are giving them too much credit. Have you ever seen a cat skeleton in a tree?


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    More FEMA fumbling. They didn't follow their own ICS, according to this:


    http://www.columbiatribune.com/2005/...004Feat001.asp

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