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  1. #61
    EuroFirefighter.com PaulGRIMWOOD's Avatar
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    Nate .........

    Did you ever think of writing a book on Firefighting Strategy & Tactics? Don't! Cos I think you just did! Nate, you have given great credence to this thread, along with some other great posters, offering some sound advice based on good experience.

    I would ask everyone to print Nate's great post out because he covers so many important points that are essential to any firefighter who wants to be as good as he/she can be at their job. If you read every word there is a heap of information in that post. Possibly the best post I have seen in over six years on this forum!

    Yes I know FDNY don't support any venting of peaked roofs and yes I appreciate they practise VES at every opportunity. This is not to suggest that other opinions and approaches here are wrong. You go with your department SOP and operate according to the culture that is based on sound traditions in your locality. But I have to say, this guy offers advice that will keep you safe if you only remember some of the basic points he discusses, like using the sound of the stream to assist you in locating your position, in relation to walls, doors and windows etc.

    I figured that possibly more would support the concept of a rear approach to this fire, with the wind at your back. I appreciate it was an FDNY firefighter who recognised the benefits because they, like me, have (as I said before) lost brothers of their own in fires that have been pushed .... or rapidly developed to some great disadvantage .... by an opposing wind.

    Nate .... your 'four hours' of work here might just save a life one day! We didn't even have to pay for this advice

    Great post!

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    To echo Paul's comments....thanks! I appreciate your contributions to this forum.

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    Wow, thanks for the kind thoughts guys!

    You wanted some opinions, that's all that I did. I just gave a ton of them!

    Everyone else did the same thing I did, just shorter.

    Great job all around.
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    Wow Nate... as a non-FF, you really opened my eyes...

    Thanks for your post.. I printed it out for further reading.

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    Now in Victoria, BC. I'm from beautiful Jasper Alberta in the heart of the Can. Rockies - will always be an Albertan at heart!


    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM
    Okay, having now read the NIOSH report again, I have to note a few things:

    6. If the NIOSH report is correct in placing the victim in the diagram facing into the building (away from exit) and in the same place where the line was, he must have been somewhere else when eveyone else bailed. Was he in the bathroom or office searching? It seems difficult to belive that if he had contact with the hose prior to its removal that he'd let it be pulled out without him.

    I don't usually chime in on these because I'm not a FF, but I did notice this and thought it might help you to point out that the description that accompanies the photo of where the victim was found states that he was facing the door.

    Photo 3. This photo shows (X) where the victim was found,
    facing toward the door. There was an approximate 4 foot
    distance between the brick column on the right and the corner
    of the wall on the left. This photo was taken from the interior
    of the house, looking toward the front door.
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