We where awarded this year for the DHS grant. Iíll give you my situation. We are private volunteer fire department contracted to our township to provide fire protection. We have a sister station that is set up the same as being private and contracted to the same township. I have been hearing that they want to file a complaint that they did not receive and award due to the fact that we did. They claim they have a bigger area to cover than we do. However both contract say for the whole township. There is no line where there service starts and ours ends. I filled the grant out with correct info. We are contracted for 30 square miles and 8600 residents same as they are. We have held off making our purchases for fear that the grant may get pulled. Does anyone have any idea how this would work. Both stations have applied for other grant and this has never been an issue. I do not know why it is now. Should we make our purchases or should we hold off to see what happens. Any input would be great thanks.
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10-21-2005, 10:33 AM #1
Is this a problem??Training does not make perfect. Training makes permanent!
10-21-2005, 11:34 AM #2
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I'm certainly no expert, but I do know that the government programs generally won't do much about this. If both departments applied for the grants and one department received it over the other, there was probably a justified reason for it. To me, it sounds as though the other department is just "crying" because they weren't awarded the grant.
I could possibly see a reason for complaint if the county, twp, etc stated only one department was to file for a grant, but since you are all private entities contracted to the township, it should be up to your individual departments to apply for what you see fit.
The "grant trio" can better answer this I'm sure, but I can't imagine your award being in jeapordy as long as you are sure you filled out the who application honestly and completely. If there were ANY 1/2 truths or discrepencies in your application, you may want to deal with that right away because if and when the other department gets ahold of it they will tear every sentence apart looking for reasons why you shouldn't be awarded. What they don't, probably, understand is that if you don't get the grant it won't go directly to them...it will go back to the grant specialists and be used to award another department that was next in line in scoring and peer review.
10-21-2005, 11:56 AM #3
Thanks everything was 100% on the up and up. There are no false facts on it. Didn't want to take the chance.Training does not make perfect. Training makes permanent!
10-21-2005, 12:12 PM #4
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Hmmm...your situation seems a little muddy, so hard to say what the ruling will be on this....for example you referred to the other guys as your "sister station"....are you technically part of the same fire department or are you two distinct, seperate agencies?
You say you cover "30 square miles 8600 residents same as they are".....does that mean you are both covering the SAME 30 square miles and 8600 residents, or do you both have exactly identically sized districts (no, you said they claim to cover a bigger area than you)....could you explain what you meant by this?
There is no line where there service starts and ours ends.
If you are both covering the same district then I don't see how you can both be applying for a grant...that would be improper. It would seem to me that you are, as far as AFG is concerned, the same fire department, or at least the same fire district.
If, however, you are each covering a different geographic area, and are technically two seperate entities, then you would each be applying for your own grant and therefore the fact that they were unsuccessful is just sour grapes.
I'm not familiar with this arrangement (then again I'm not in Ohio), but can you have two different agencies covering the same area?Chief Dwayne LeBlanc
Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
"I have a dream. It's not a big dream, it's just a little dream. My dream ó and I hope you don't find this too crazy ó is that I would like the people of this community to feel that if, God forbid, there were a fire, calling the fire department would actually be a wise thing to do. You can't have people, if their houses are burning down, saying, 'Whatever you do, don't call the fire department!' That would be bad."
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10-21-2005, 12:59 PM #5
I do not believe that the "sister" department is going to be very successful in complaining since they were subjected to the same standards and review as the winning department. The only "complaint" they can file would be for a technical error to have occurred and from the information we have I would say there are no grounds.
In my minds eye, I can forsee where two departments would be contracted to provide coverage for the same township; happens all the time and when they decide to have their own fire department they will probably absorb, or buy out, both of them.At the present time it is obviously more cost effective for the township to contract services form both departments.
He states that everything was 100% on the up and up, he has an award letter in hand, I say go get your stuff! Sounds like sour grapes to me and by its very nature, that's is what a competitive grant is all about.
You could apply the same logic that USFA would only give a fire safety trailer to one, or the other, department within a similar regional area for the cost benefit. In the overall scheme of things, I believe the terms "interagency cooperation" were put into play and the one was given the award with the "implied understanding" that their mutual aid agreements with each other justified the cost benefit.Kurt Bradley
Public Safety Grants Consultant
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