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    rah freakin rah..

    Whoever put Firefighter807 up to this should be hung in the hose tower and flogged with a piece of old booster line...
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    Can I give him my Pierce engine? The one that the cab fell off when the hinges broke while tilting it? Please?
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    An old piece of wet 2 1/2 is much, much better. I know, I'm a Shellback.

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    Firefighter807 must be having a quiet day.... Somebody get him a REAL firetruck and some fig newtons!

    (Note "Real firetruck" refers to the good ol Tona Toy fire trucks)
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    Pretty much everything you would need they can make.
    I think you're mixed up, they will customize your rig, just as long as it's something they offer regularly. LOL

    In these days of "who owns who", Pierce has the unshakable roots of Oshkosh Truck behind them.
    Unshakeable?? Last time I checked, freightliner was alot bigger than oshkosh, and look what happened to ALF.


    I'm a HUGE pierce fan, don't get me wrong, but some of your arguements are just plain silly.

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    I bet he'd eat s**t if it had the Pierce logo on it.

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    Parts twenty years from now? Unless they're REAL common,I doubt it like hell.Muliplexing? Well, the jury's still out there on that one,let's see how they perform in a twenty year run. I don't see a Pierce is gonna do any better in TCOO(total cost of ownership)than any other properly specced and maintained brand. But if you want to buy into that hype,I guess Oshkosh will be glad to have you.Allsteer was an "innovative" device that wound up being pretty good at shaking the confidence of FF's,who was using that again? Oh,I remember now;Pierce! Just 'cause it's "new" doesn't necessarily make it great. Oh Larry,don't you have a snippet on the ladder share? T.C.

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    Who owns Oskosh????

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    Wink here we go again

    I could see this coming. lol...nothing like stirring up the pot

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    Firefighter807

    Blah, Blah Blah....my bikes better than yours, my ball mitt is a xl-2000 so it's better, my dad drives a ford truck or chevy or didge so it's the best.

    Geezus, grow the hell up. On any given day any manufacturer big or small, new or established can build a a marvelous apparatus that will last for ever and run and work flawlessly. But also on that same day the next one off the line could be the most catyclismic POS ever built. There simply is no guarantee anymore and the more complex they get the more there is to go wrong.

    If you like ________________(fill in the blank) fire apparatus good for you, enjoy it. But don't try and convince me that ___________________(fill in the blank) fire apparatus doesn't build quality trucks too.

    Okay let's fight about line green versus red versus white over red versus black over red versus all black versus the flavor of the day color of apparatus because it is almost as relevant as this nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sklump
    Who owns Oskosh????
    Oskosh Truck Corp.
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    Let me jump in here...we are an all Pierce department when it comes to aerials and pumpers. Our squad (aka rescue) is an EVI/Freightliner (which we are VERY happy with).

    Our oldest Pierce is a 1984 Dash 1250/500 with 105K miles. It is the best one of the bunch. It has given us the least amount of trouble over the years.

    I like Pierce, but the above should tell you something.
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    Dave1983...

    Thank you for proving my point about technology. The less complex apparatus of the 80's do not have the electronic nightmare problems the new rigs do. I would wager that your 1984 engine has a vernier throttle and a relief valve versus and electronic engine governor. Granted the majority of the throttle governor problems have been corrected but the first generation was at best eractic, either it worked all the time or gremlins would mess you up when you needed it most.

    I am an unahamed fan of Mack fire apparatus and in fact my volly FD has a Mack CF that just came back from annual pump testing and maintenance...it was horrible...40 rpm's over new to make pump test. 31 year old engine and only 40 rpm's over new...Do I expect the new generation of electronic trucks to be able to operate as long with as few troubles as our MacK? Not on your life and I don't care who builds it.

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    I am a Pierce fan too, but I for one can not understand why everyone has to be like " a truck is better than b truck. and b truck can just go die" It has been discussed endlessly on these forums.


    Can't we all just get along?!?!?

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    Default pierce quality

    my opinion is that pierce was a better quality product pre-oshkosh

    when the parent co decided to convert the bradenton plant in florida to fire apparatus under the contender series they made some real lemons

    youngstown ohio was forced by city fathers to go el cheapo and lease 2 of them

    they had a terrible time

    one thing after another wrong

    finally appleton extended the warranty gratis on these rigs to appease the chief

    the word out of the ohio pierce rep which isnt worth 2 cents regarding the oshkosh all-steer is to pass the buck on unskilled operator firefighers as the cause of all the troubles

    so they will not offer this option but u may request it if u take time to learn how to properly use it

    arrow xt appears to be destined to dominate the apparatus market generally

    i predict it may be a future alf 700 series miracle

    already it is being pushed by pierce dealers everywhere

    if rescue 1 fdny passes the test of fire then i can see fdny inching over to pierce for other apparatus

    dont know who will receive the order for fdny 12 towerladders since seagraves bid is thrown out

    alf is shakey financially

    eone is a disaster with the 5 fdny rescues

    wouldnt be surprised if pierce offers 12 95 ft midmounts in lieu of 75 ft

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    I give up. FireFighter807 your right. Pierce rocks and everything else sucks.

    Pierce is the best because:

    The have an aerial fail. They "fix" the aerial and then re-sell it. They then have more problems with it after the "re-sale". LOL. What a corporate philosophy that is..........No matter if the rig is a white elephant, sell it again so we don't lose money on it.

    All Steer. A proven accident causing, non-perfected, rig turning over concept that has not been perfected and caused a recall. Thats a winner too.

    TAK4. Actually a good concept. Too bad they didn't come up with it like the try to convince everyone of.

    Pricing. Typically overpriced in our area for no other reason other than the fact that "Its a Pierce". I know, but its better so it costs more right?

    Service. In our area, long time Pierce customers are bailing out and buying other makers rigs becuase the service after the sale is non-existent. It doesn't matter if every one of the parts they make is numbered and ISO 9000 certified. If the don't have a delaer network to get the parts when needed and have a service force to install them in a timely manner, it does no good.

    Two-Faced. Over the years Pierce, along with others, went on and on about steel being better than aluminum for aerials. How steel is stronger, blah, blah, blah. Now when they decide to build an aluminum aerial its all the rage. Not what you call trend setting huh? Especially since E-One and Sutphen have been building aluminum aerials for decades. What a crock and you know it. It is a shame that a company as illustrious as you state Pierce is, is so hypocritical.

    Multi-plexing. I agree, not proven yet to be the way to go. Give it 10 more years as a minimum before you start beating your chest.

    Parts availability. Ha Ha Ha. I suppose that Pierce knows what they are going to be making 20 years from now.

    Custom Ideas. As already mentioned by another member here, only if it meets there standard list of options. If not they won't do it. If they will deviate and grace you by doing it, they will SPQ it to within an inch of its life and make you not want to do it for cost reasons.

    Rell Rounded Product Line. Do they offer a 75' MM platform like alot of customers want? No. Seagrave, ALF and Sutphen do. What about a MM Tele-Squrt type device? No. E-One and Sutphen do.

    Sorry for the rant, just some thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighter807
    They still out sell everything in the market place.

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    What happened? Didn;t you get your own Pierce calendar once and now you are chewing on sour grapes?
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    They Sould change the headline of this thread to
    [B]WHY PIERCE IS THE WRONG CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I would rather push my Seagrave than drive your Pierce!!

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