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    I'm good at pass/fail tests, I'm even better at being randomly selected to move on in hiring processes .

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    In the job announcement it states "only a percentage of those applicants taking the written examination will be eligible to participate in the additional steps of the hiring process"

    Somehow this test will be graded with the top scorers moving on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dmfireschool
    In the job announcement it states "only a percentage of those applicants taking the written examination will be eligible to participate in the additional steps of the hiring process"

    Somehow this test will be graded with the top scorers moving on.


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    Maybe they will make the cutoff 80 percent or osmthing and then only the people who get above 80 percent will be eligible to be randomly selected.

    How many people tested in 95?

    How many people were hired off that list?

    How many people were hired per year off that list?

    How many people are expected to test this year?

    How many people are they expected to hire?

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    The problem with the last list was the supposedly "arbitrary" cut off score of 90% for well qualified. This cost them big bucks in lawsuits. They will probably select from the people who passed in order of the last number of their social security numbers. ie. start with all the threes then the fours and so on. Of course that will leave room for inserting the people they want. Soooo here are my thoughts (this involves lots of approximations and fuzzy math) 20 thousand took the last test. About 16 thousand passed. 1800 scored well qualified. It took about 6 years to get thru the 1800. Now lets say 16,000 pass a "pass/fail" test. And as they suggest, they test every three years from now on (fat chance). That means if attrition rates stay the same they should go thru about 900 candidates. This gives you about a 6% chance of getting called. Now of course this doesn't factor in sex, skin color, or who your dad is. Like I said it's fuzzy, but I don't know if I would buy a plane ticket to take Chicago. Then again, I'd rather be lucky than good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDean867
    That should ensure the CFD's position as a second rate, progress resistant department for years to come.
    And what department are you on?

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    ok going back through this post from the first page they want valid drivers license that have to be in state or will an out of state one work as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF
    And what department are you on?
    For your information, CFF, I was a member of the Chicago Fire Department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmfireschool
    In the job announcement it states "only a percentage of those applicants taking the written examination will be eligible to participate in the additional steps of the hiring process"

    Somehow this test will be graded with the top scorers moving on.


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    Don't we wish. It didn't happen in 1995, when they used banded scores, and it sure as heck isn't going to happen with a "Pass/Fail", because there will not be a published score, rank order list. You will have to take the City's word for the fact that whoever passed, passed because they said so. And they'll deny any request for the list, even through Freedom of Information requests, because they'll claim privacy concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDean867
    For your information, CFF, I was a member of the Chicago Fire Department.
    FF or medic? Retired?
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    without trying to sound racist, whats the chance of a white male being hired? The Chicago webpage says it wants minorities to apply so does that mean they will be chosen first?

    And whats the promitions like? Are qualified people passed over due to race and gender?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDean867
    Going to a Pass/Fail only test will be a nightmare, because there will be NO transparency, NO accountability,NO actual list, and NO way of checking to see if the hiring sequence is legitimate.

    Otherwise, a perfect world excuse for the City to bypass truly qualified candidates and go back to hiring unqualified minorities and those with clout.
    Wow, took the words right out of my mouth. Big cities have a hard on for minorities. Things like affirmative action are racist. As we all know, real diversity comes from the color of your skin (note sarcasm). But departments are too concerned with numbers, rather than skilled and intelligent employees.

    Hearing that this test is pass/fail has really dampened my enthusiasm about testing for CFD. As a white male, ive got roughly no chance of being "randomly" selected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985
    without trying to sound racist, whats the chance of a white male being hired? The Chicago webpage says it wants minorities to apply so does that mean they will be chosen first?
    As a white male, getting hired in the fire service is like winning the lottery. At least, thats how its been described to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WIff4hire
    Hearing that this test is pass/fail has really dampened my enthusiasm about testing for CFD. As a white male, ive got roughly no chance of being "randomly" selected.
    So what, take the friggin test. I'll be there, and I am one of the biggest crackers you can find. If you can't handle that you might not be selected just becuase you are not black, then don't test...just one less person that I won't be competing with for that job. Remember, even though you are white, the test, interviews and physical will still weed out the ones who can't hack it. You have nothing to lose..
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    There is no interview that I've ever heard of, though maybe they will change their procedures from previous years (not that I'm trying to discourage anyone from taking the test). FYI, I heard from a friend on the CFD that the City Council also approved the increase in max age for hire as 38 vice 35. Good news for me, since I'm 33 now!
    Good luck to all.

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    WIff4hire: I've got to ask, what country do you live in? Chicago is 46% white and 36% black. The fire dept. is about 65% white. The chicago suburbs have 3 milliion people with over 100 paid departments and not one of them is majority minority. The community I serve is 90% minority, the department is 90% white. And if guess correctly from your handle you are from wisconsin. Are there even any minorities in WI outside Milwaukee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFSmitty1
    WIff4hire: I've got to ask, what country do you live in? Chicago is 46% white and 36% black. The fire dept. is about 65% white. The chicago suburbs have 3 milliion people with over 100 paid departments and not one of them is majority minority. The community I serve is 90% minority, the department is 90% white. And if guess correctly from your handle you are from wisconsin. Are there even any minorities in WI outside Milwaukee?
    Nice post, most communities outside of the major metro areas, Milwaukee, Green Bay etc..still contain a population that is a majority of caucasians. Hmongs and latinos make up most of the non black/white populus in these areas. Regardless though...if you don't take the test because your afraid that a person of another race will get placed ahead of you just because the color of their skin...please..
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFSmitty1
    WIff4hire: I've got to ask, what country do you live in? Chicago is 46% white and 36% black. The fire dept. is about 65% white. The chicago suburbs have 3 milliion people with over 100 paid departments and not one of them is majority minority. The community I serve is 90% minority, the department is 90% white. And if guess correctly from your handle you are from wisconsin. Are there even any minorities in WI outside Milwaukee?
    I live in america, but im guessing you meant county, i live in milwaukee county. The only point i see you making is that outside of the major cities, minorities are few and far between. Other than that, i really dont see the purpose of your post. I dont mean to bitch and moan, and say this is unfair. Im just trying to point out how ridiculous things like affirmative action are. It shouldnt matter how much of the community is minority, a hiring process for any job should reflect skilled candidates. I notice a lot of departments try to get more minorities to apply, but why? If mostly white males apply, then mostly white males will be hired, thats just percentages right there. So why should departments skip over whites and select a less qualified minority, when so few minorities applied?

    Many corporations have had shown descrimination in hiring and promotion processes, and it seems to me that things like affirmative action are just quick fixes so that numbers and percentages look better when regarding minorities. What they should be doing is ensuring that its a fair process, and encourage more minorities to apply and score high enough to be hired.

    Regardless though...if you don't take the test because your afraid that a person of another race will get placed ahead of you just because the color of their skin...please..
    Lets get one thing straight, im not "afraid" that a minority will get a job over me because of their skin color. I take every test that i can, and i try my hardest on all of them. Im just trying to let off a little steam, and i did so by agreeing with another member who already stated the obvious.

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    I was simply disagreeing with the statement " As a white male, getting hired is like winning the lottery." While getting hired is often difficult, in the greater chicagoland area it is not harder to get hired being white.

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    bringing this one back for a question any ideas as to why the online applications are not online yet or am I looking in the wrong place?

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    thank you sir greatly appreciated looked all over the citys website and could not find anything.

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    applicant #20** here
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    Anyone else sign up yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peekay
    applicant #20** here
    guess this is the confirmation number?
    if so mine saaaaayyyyyyysssssss 22** <new trend I dunno I just post here
    Last edited by Firefighter2230; 03-31-2006 at 05:38 PM.

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    I just signed up, where does it say what number applicant i am?

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