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    I know people on here are from all over and many don't live in Chicago and necessarily follow the Mayor's Office, so I just wanted to post that Rahm takes his oath 4 weeks from today on May 16. I know there are different political opinions everywhere, but the election is done, so this date can not come soon enough as far as any progress towards this process.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalsh321 View Post
    Well I hardly doubt all 850 persons are just waiting for 11/1/11 to get out. I only know one person with 30 on and he says he will most likely stay on for at least another 5 years. Amazing enough, some people actually love this job and aren't just going to walk away because they are eligible. I would assume there are some others like him out there that aren't going anywhere just yet.

    I do agree however that people will indeed be leaving and they will be required to start hiring again.

    As of my most recent update from an instructor. CFD has approved two academies for this year, neither of which was to include the "entitlement" Now they are awaiting the Mayor's Office.
    I agree with you about these people loving this job, but for 75 bucks more per month per year after you qualify for retirement seems silly to stay, also with all the talk about pensions to be targeted..

    And out of 850, there still has to be a lot of 'em ready to go, and that # is just for 2011, I can imagine there are 28 year guys ready to roll as well..The City came in with 2 appeals on 2/1, so I think it's safe to say that the entitlement boys have ways to go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrum View Post
    I agree with you about these people loving this job, but for 75 bucks more per month per year after you qualify for retirement seems silly to stay, also with all the talk about pensions to be targeted..

    And out of 850, there still has to be a lot of 'em ready to go, and that # is just for 2011, I can imagine there are 28 year guys ready to roll as well..The City came in with 2 appeals on 2/1, so I think it's safe to say that the entitlement boys have ways to go...
    Like I said, out of 850, there will be plenty going, which is going to cause a need for hiring, but just making it clear that people should not expect 850 vacancies by next year.

    I have met plenty of people that continue to work, just because they love their job and if they weren't working they would go nuts, so thats why guys would stay on. If your job sucks, sure it's hard to understand why you wouldn't want to retire, but this is not one of those jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrum View Post
    The City came in with 2 appeals on 2/1, so I think it's safe to say that the entitlement boys have ways to go...
    How long does those appeals normally take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaze41 View Post
    How long does those appeals normally take?
    All depends...appeals can drag out for years or a few months

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    Oral Arguments were done late march waiting for decision, dont know if they can appeal from there

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILFFPM View Post
    Oral Arguments were done late march waiting for decision, dont know if they can appeal from there
    I have tried to find a transcript of these oral arguments, but have not found one anywhere, so perhaps it is not yet available. I believe that it is currently in the Federal Appeals court, so I think this will be the end I believe.

    City is asking that the judgment entered is either reversed or at the very least modified.

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    You Can hear the audio of it if you want I'll try and find the link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalsh321 View Post
    I have tried to find a transcript of these oral arguments, but have not found one anywhere, so perhaps it is not yet available. I believe that it is currently in the Federal Appeals court, so I think this will be the end I believe.

    City is asking that the judgment entered is either reversed or at the very least modified.

    http://clccrul.org/article.html?&rls_article_id=99

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    Thanks, I have found this site before and it has the pleadings filed prior to oral arguments, but not the transcripts from oral arguments.

    I would just like to read how the panel treated each side. Not sure if any of you ever read the Supreme Court oral arguments, but the justices blasted the city.

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    Dalsh and everyone else interested here is the oral arguments from 3/29/11 with 7th District court of appeals. they lay into both sides mainly the city though.

    http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/781033NU.mp3

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    FYI to those that have to change address with the CFD. Change has to now be made in person at 1338 S. Clinton. According to Commander Ignacio (sp?) too many problems came from mail requests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILFFPM View Post
    Dalsh and everyone else interested here is the oral arguments from 3/29/11 with 7th District court of appeals. they lay into both sides mainly the city though.

    http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/781033NU.mp3
    Well done ILFFPM.

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    That's the city lawyer? HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW THE CITY HIRED FROM LIST?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keefus View Post
    That's the city lawyer? HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW THE CITY HIRED FROM LIST?
    The lawyer from the city is the woman. There is more then one judge in the room that was responding/asking questions. The lawyer for the plaintiff is a man.


    It sounds like the city has a chance..
    Last edited by blue2520; 04-21-2011 at 09:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilffpm View Post
    dalsh and everyone else interested here is the oral arguments from 3/29/11 with 7th district court of appeals. They lay into both sides mainly the city though.

    http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/781033nu.mp3
    thanks buddy... Great listen its seems close

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    Thank you very much ILFFPM.

    Just listened and I will tell you that the city attorney is certainly better prepared and much more articulate and that often goes a long way in the courtroom, however it doesn't always.

    Please keep in mind that the Plaintiff in any case has an obligation to prove their "charges," which is what the city is stating was not done.

    The problem, which I knew years ago is that the city basically put all of their eggs in one basket with their SOL claim. They did not defend the list or their practices and solely argued that the plaintiff's claims were too late.

    Both parties did a poor job though in general. The plaintiff could have better proved the disparate impact specifically to the use of the list and the city could have drawn up add'l defenses.

    Now it comes down to the court's opinion as to whether the city's creation of the well qualified list was the cutoff point in which the plaintiff's were notified they were rejected or if the court feels that the city violated it with every class they hired and thus the plaintiffs are within the SOL.

    I think the city should win based on the arguments and lack of proof by the plaintiff, but I also know that the courts opinion may be swayed/biased based on the fact that this is a discrimination case and it's well known of the discrimination in the CFD, not necessarily today, but historically.

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    i see all of these numbers like 850 people just over 30+ years. I realize there is a list in play right now, however, correct me if i'm wrong, but that list is from 2006. With all of these people approaching retirement, will there be another process in the future? and if so can anyone give an educated guess as to when it would approx take place? thanks.
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    I really don't think the city is in a hurry to do anything right now.
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    I Agree unless rahm has some reason to want a retest i can't seeit happening soon at all you could be 19 at time of test so guys are still in earlier mid twentys or so and there not hiring any way plus the possible law suit class. So if i had to bet id say a few more years yet.

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