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    Anyone still waiting? I have not received a DJ letter, and no questions as of this round. The grant was for interoperable communications for the entire county. Is there any place to look if I missed the DJ letter, I check my e-mail and my grant application page. I do not want to e-mail DHS if I do not have to. any help would be great!

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    Check the Old Messages link in the application's Mail Center if you haven't done that already. Just in case someone else logged in and read the message if there was one. All is not lost if you haven't heard anything yet. Even though it's not as good as getting the prenotifications, NOT having the DJ is pretty good still. Better than 14,000 other departments anyway. Hang in there.

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    Default Same situation, but maybe held up at state level?

    We are in the same situation, SAFER and a Vehicle still out there somewhere. Constantly cheking the AFG site, old mail etc. for any correspondence, nothing on either side as of yet.

    Question for whomever about Regional vehicle requests that are relative to homeland security priorities...ie: Heavy Rescue with CBRNE equipment with regional and statewide response potential. I remember in one of the FEMA meetings this was discussed, but not quite sure if I saw this in the PG ; if the grant request passed into peer review, and was favorable, it would be sent back to the state level for validation prior to award. Is it possible that that is where many of the delays on vehicles outstanding are? Any insight into this?
    Thanks Kurt, Brian and Alana for looking at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemedic43
    We are in the same situation, SAFER and a Vehicle still out there somewhere. Constantly cheking the AFG site, old mail etc. for any correspondence, nothing on either side as of yet.

    Question for whomever about Regional vehicle requests that are relative to homeland security priorities...ie: Heavy Rescue with CBRNE equipment with regional and statewide response potential. I remember in one of the FEMA meetings this was discussed, but not quite sure if I saw this in the PG ; if the grant request passed into peer review, and was favorable, it would be sent back to the state level for validation prior to award. Is it possible that that is where many of the delays on vehicles outstanding are? Any insight into this?
    Thanks Kurt, Brian and Alana for looking at this.
    Do you know if you (or whomever applied) checked the Critical Infastructure box on the application? That's the only type of state level review I am aware of...But maybe due to the regional being a new 'animal' there's another step in the process? Especially given that it is a vehicle. Was there additional items requested or just the vehicle?

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    We met with our DHS state reps before all of the AFG and Safer grants started last spring and they told us to stay away from cbrne issues. they also told us not even to mention it, and if we did we pretty much would be signing our own DJ for the 2005 grant.

    On the flip side; we got a DJ for SAFER, and we are still waiting on AFG...

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    Well, on a side note, this program wasn't the main spot to be looking for items related to Homeland Security, especially with something like a regional hazmat/rescue truck to handle Bio and Chem incidents. Eligible, yes, but the HSGP would be the better spot for that truck, with a lot less red tape to go through. If it doesn't end up being funded here that is. There's a few bucks left for trucks, so it's not out yet.

    The state checks for CRBNE and CI coverage are actually quicker than one would think. The states are supposed to keep a running tab on who protects what just for the reason of being asked such questions. So it would be an in a dn out in most cases with an answer. This is the reason that everyone needs to check with whoever keeps such data to make sure they're on the magic list. If you aren't, but you say you are in the app, and they ask the state and the state says no, you're out regardless of the rest of the app.

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    Yes, I am the author of all the grants since the program inception, and did check the critical infrastructure box. The request is to replace a 1971 Maxim Squad with over 100K miles on it. Our department has spent upwards of 70K over the past 6 years in TRS, Dive, ConSpace and Collapse equipment for the vehicle, it has just become unreliable and the maintenance costs on that vehicle alone eat up over 30% of our annual budget leftovers, after manpower and benefits (93% of total 2.4M budget). In our state we are not (yet) part of the USAR group, but are classified as an A team, which is the highest level for response capabilities.
    As it was applied for under the umbrella of our department, it is most definatley a regional and statewide "animal". I would hope that state level review would be the only delay in our process to this point.
    FYI, we are 2 for 4 overall in AFG, sucecss in Fire Prevention Programs ('02) and OPs and Safety ('03). Our denials came in year 1 for ambulance (non-priority) and last year we wrote for the same vehicle, but DHS classified our department as Rural (population of 16K) and we were low priority. That must have changed, much to our delight this year, when we were classified Urban. Must be the new HUD numbers that make more sense. We are a suburb of Chicago, close enought to toss a stone into the city limits, but until this year, we were apparently rural in their eyes.
    We are most cautiously optomistic, on both outstanding grants.

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    If it was applied for under the auspices of a Rescue truck, then it would be a Priority 1 for Urban departments. That wasn't the case last year, it was a P2 then for all 3 classifications I believe, so the fact you were Rural last year wouldn't have mattered. P2s still wouldn't have been funded no matter what. This year, P1 for Urban, better comptuer score, better chance. Considering there's only about $3.8 million left for trucks, the fat lady isn't singing, but she's humming a few bars for warm-up.

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    It definately was under the Rescue Truck position, but there is (maybe unfortunatley in this case) CBRNE equipment we carry as part of the cache. That was our intial excitement here, knowing it was P1 and we got the Urban classificaiton. As for funding, in our narrative we made it clear along with our budget concerns, that we re-evaluated our vehicle manufacuters and reduced our request $100k from the previous year. Financially the ramining budget after manpower costs is $175K, of that the vehicle maint. budget is almost half the remainder, of that 80% goes to the old squad to keep it running. I think the position is well justified. If you see the fat lady warming up, stick a sock in her for us please.
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    I'll see what I can do about the sock thing.

    Reminds me, I have to do laundry too. Running out of socks.

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    firemedic,
    If you are that close to Chicago you would be eligible under UASI ( Urban Area Security Initiative) and should apply under that, with your SHSGP. I would be finding out right now, what table you need to sit at, to get in on that. Contact the State Homeland Security directors office and find out what Cook County person is in charge of those programs and then get to the table and become a familiar face. They will not come looking for you, even if you are eligible, you have to be at the table and asking for your share, in those programs.
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    Anyone still waiting?
    For the first time in all these years....yes, we are actually still waiting for any notification. Still in shock.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Thanks Kurt, I will be making those calls today! It is worth a shot.

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    Never mind. Email was received by someone else and wasn't notified of it. Didn't make it past computer scoring for second year in a row. First three at least made it to peer review before getting denied.

    Got it all figured out now, I'm going to ask for either a new truck that I don't need or lots of exercise equipment. Then I can sell that stuff for what I really need....SCBA's.
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    Bones42, sorry to hear the bad news. Give me a shout offline and I will help you out.
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    Are we going to get rejected because we asked for CBRN airpacks? I thought it was going to help us to be ahead of the curve? Thanks!

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    No, first level is whether or not you're competitive for SCBA period. If you passed that, which it seems like you did, then the check is done on whether or not you're in a CRBNE area as designated by the state. It's just like Critical Infrastructure: if the state says you're not in that risk area, and you say you are, out goes the app. So if the SCBA you want is for CRBNE risks, and the state says you're not in a high-risk area for such an attack/incident, then the cost-benefit isn't there.

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    I'm still waiting too. Our EMA Director received a phone call in June inquiring about interoperatibility and duplication (awards from other sources) of communications equipment. Since the equipment was interoperatible and we haven't received any other communications assistance, I was hoping this was a good sign for our application. We still haven't heard anything, good or bad. I just can't help but believe that DHS would be calling if the application hadn't made it past the peer panel. Time is running out!
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    Sounds like you are on the schedule to get an award. They are just checking for duplication and compatability issues.
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    Default I must have been mistaken

    I must have been wrong about the CBRN. I wasn't pushing to specifically need CBRN packs, I just thought that by asking for something that will be standard in the near future would be smart. I really hope that doesnt hurt us. We asked for gear and pagers and radios too. I would love to be able to tell my department that we recieved our grant as we are currently in the middle of a change of the gaurd and the new regime is really going to be great as they actually care about doing things right. Thanks for all the help to everyone on here!

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    jake2415, as bc79er said, they key factor here is if your defined role in the State Emergency Response plan has you listed as being in need of CBRNE equipment. If it does then no sweat, if it does not list you as being in need, you are going to have problems. If you get DJ'd just drop the CBRNE requirement from the application and re-submit.
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    I was actually going to recommend more than that. SCBA, PPE, Pagers, and Radios a laundry list does make. While all 4 are important as an individual focus, having 3 different projects rolled into one doesn't make it as strong an application as it could be. Remember, PPE (used on 98% of calls) is different from SCBA (only on fires), is different from Communications equipment (used on all calls).

    Don't read the parentheses as making Communications more important than the other two just because radios and pagers are used on all calls. Obviously you have some method of communicating now, people show up. SCBA isn't used on wrecks in most cases, PPE comes out on all calls unless you run 1st responder EMS on everything. Pick the most needed in your area and focus on it. Very, very few applications actually win awards that focus on more than one set of items for one operational deficiency, and those that do hit all #1 priority items for departments in their situation.

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    Default I need to listen to you guys instead

    I was misled at a grant writing seminar put on by my state. I was told that they woudl rather you ask for everything you need all at once rather then asking for one thing one year and something else the next. I was also told that CBRN would help us as it is going to be standard soon on packs. We do protect a local hospital, two nursing homes, an assisted living center and three schools, if that helps? I may be contacting one of you knowledgeable people for next years if I get rejected. Also my assistant chief and I were trying to find a grant for a training facility. Are there any small grants that may help us pay for some burn buildings? We have the land and the city will back us we would like to get a grant for it so it goes through. Thanks in advance for all your help!

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    The part about asking for everything you need applies to one area. So don't ask for SCBA without masks, portable radios without mobiles etc, etc. Define the operational deficiency, and design a complete solution is the mantra. In your case, you were addressing 3: PPE, SCBA, and Communications.

    CRBNE might become a standard. It isn't now, and the scoring reflects current regulations and standards, not future. Having a hospital and all of that other stuff don't really make you more competitive for CBRNE; the hospital might be a target, but depending on where you're at you may not be in a very high risk zone in a more widespread scope. Remember, the bad guys aim for maximum casualties, which are going to be high population density or national landmarks. If you don't have them, you're reaching for CRBNE status.

    Burn buildings are a possibility depending on your classification and other such things like that. Drop me an email and we can figure something out.

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    Thanks for everything, we just got our DJ letter. I will more than likely be contacting one of you grant writers for help on next years, thanks again!

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