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    On the volunteer side, there is no requirement to be medically certified, with the exception of CPR, however most do, for a number of reasons. Since we go on primarily EMS runs, being non-EMS would mean you could only go on our fire calls, which is fine with some of our members, but greatly limits the number of points you can accumulate towards the end of the year check. Also, you cannot be promoted to any officer's posistion, including senior firefighter, without a medical certification. You are also not eligible to work the weekday 8-5 posistion without an EMS cert (as well as other qualifications) nor are you eligable to get on the Relief List to work the 24-hour shift in place of the full-time firefighter without a med cert (in addition to other qualifications).
    You must also have a medical certification to be on the SRT (Special Rescue Team). You are also not eligable to drive or staff the Parish EMS back-up ambulance which is housed at our station when we are asked to man it.

    On the full-time side (3 firefighters; one on at a time and the Assistant Chief) you must be at least an EMT and you have one-year to get the certification, however it is rare that they do not have it when hired since we only hire from our volunteer side. There is a slight pay raise for paramedic and at this time we have one with a second full-timer in paramedic class.


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    All FFs must maintain at least EMT. Paramedics may ask to drop back to EMT after 10 years. We are an all ALS system so you need at least EMT.

    Some departments have ambulances (called rescues here) but usually these are staffed with 2 paramedics and usually dont transport patients unless its an MCI. The county handles the ambulance service as a seperate agency.

    My department runs an ALS engine, truck and squad (heavy rescue), no rescues.
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    Lex. Fire puts all recruits through EMT training before going out on line. Current chief wants to require all to complete Paramedic training before leaving recruit school. He has reportedly said that if a person isn't a 'medic, they are of no value to our dept. I personally feel this is not a good idea.............

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    Wow ... While I beleive that the fire service has a limited role in EMS (and that role is not transport, but that my own opinion), any chief that says "unless a firefighter isn't a paramedic they are of no value to the department" needs to rethink the department's priorities. Maybe it's this attitude that has so much of our resources tied up into EMS that causes some of the staffing issues discussed on other threads ....

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    Career is FFI /EMT to get on and it must be maintained. All are dual role and ride the ambulance. Volunteer there is no requirement and no ambulance. We do first responder runs and rescue. We have a number of EMTs and more First Responder - Defibs. I think there is a definite need for medically trained firefighters particularly for rescue jobs and just due to the fact that dispatched or not we end up taking care of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator
    Wow ... While I beleive that the fire service has a limited role in EMS (and that role is not transport, but that my own opinion), any chief that says "unless a firefighter isn't a paramedic they are of no value to the department" needs to rethink the department's priorities. Maybe it's this attitude that has so much of our resources tied up into EMS that causes some of the staffing issues discussed on other threads ....

    Its not a limited role here. 45 out of 60 engine companys here are ALS and are first response on all EMS calls.

    Out of 17 departments in my county, I think only 4 or 5 hire EMTs, and then not very often. All the rest want medics only. Been that way for years. But thats what you get in an all ALS system, with all but a handfull of units running primary ALS.
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    Default 100% EMTs here

    All career personnel are trained to the NREMT-B level during rookie school and must maintain some form of EMT certification for the duration of their career. We do have three career members who have allowed their National Registry certification to lapse and renew only their state certification. Arkansas' lowest EMT classification is "EMT-Ambulance." It requires either a refresher or continuing education -- not both like the NREMT.

    The bulk of our volunteer division has been trained to the first responder level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF
    Just wondering if your department requires you to maintain an EMT or paramedic license as a condition of employment. Can you drop it at any point? Would you like to drop it? Are you required to ride an ambulance for shifts as a part of this?
    Not required to get hired, but have to be a medic within 2 years of hire. Once attained, it can never be dropped, regardless of rank.

    Would I drop it? No, but I think captains in our dept. should be able to drop it, because their plates are pretty full.

    We do transport, so I'm on an ambulance 75% of the time.

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    At my volunteer department outside Paducah,we are not required to be EMTs to join.WE only get a gas allowance for responding to the call and nothing extra for being EMT certified.
    We are required to be First Aid and CPR/AED certified at the minimum after joining.


    Quote Originally Posted by SamuelFire
    At my fire department in Western KY, every firefighter since 1990 has been required to be an EMT. We do get paid time and half for attending the initial class. You must maintain it to keep your job (which I agree with). We are at about a 90% EMT rate.

    We do not have to ride the ambulance because we only make first responder runs with the ambulance which is the city and county subsidize.

    We do not get any extra money for being an EMT which I would FULLY SUPPORT.

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    We spend 4 weeks of our 22-week recruit school giving all of our new hires EMT-Basic. If they're already EMT's when hired, then this training counts as continuing education credits for them. All employees are required to maintain their EMT throughout their career.

    Our EMT-Intermediates get a 9.6% pay raise, and EMT-Paramedics get a 14.8% raise, as long as they are practicing. Becoming an EMT-I or EMT-P is not required, but is strongly encouraged.

    11 of our 20 stations have ambulances in them, and the folks generally ride the ambulance every three days, depending on staffing.

    Engine companies respond on life threatening emergencies, and can initiate ALS care (if staffed with an I or P) until arrival of the ambulance.
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    emt-b is required for everyone but a few who are grandfathered out, it is taught in academy, and the department pays for you maintain it with in-house ceu's. you can't let it slide, however, if you hire on with a previous medic's license, you can drop down to emt-b. the ambulance is run by a third service provider, so no you never have to ride an ambulance, although every now and again they'll ask for someone to ride with them from the scene, to the hospital to do cpr or bag a patient, but you cannot be assigned and ambulance shift.

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    We do have a number of firefighters who came over from EMS, but I don't think there is a single example of someone going the other way.
    Actually, there are 2 I know personally. They came back because our great tool of a mayor laid them off from the Fire side.

    I donít think someone would willingly do it though and I am pretty sure if they get the chance to go back they would in a heartbeat

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    No EMS experience to get hired by me. In the last few years while in the fire accademy you get First Responder-D. Prior to that all other line personel were also certifed. No cash for it, just two half personel days per year. You have to use them both to get a full tour(24 hrs) off. I'm not thrilled doing any EMS stuff at all but I figure the knowledge can help another FF. In the past few years we've had 4 FF's have heart attacks at work and one I know of but possibly two were defibbed in their own firehouse. All made it. Even if you don't like doing EMS, what you learn can save one of your own FF's or a family member.

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    Talking Question??................

    I've noticed a few mentions of "Need EMT-B to get hired". Why?? We have just the opposite here in Maryland, We train you after you're hired. With our Laws, you MUST be affiliated with a EMS provider, BEFORE you can take EMT classes. Maryland will not allow someone to be an EMT-B unless they are a bona-fide member of a providing organization
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    In Michigan, almost all the EMT classes are run by ambulance services or community colleges. Some high schools offer it as well. Most fire academies are also run by the community colleges. The trend here is to require all the necessary certs just to apply. That way the dept can put you right to work. Only the biggest cities -the ones making the greatest effort to hire minorities-train after hire.

    A byproduct of this system, EMT and paramedic are courses that qualify for state assistance for those on welfare who did not graduate high school. One of the major reason the pass rate for National Registry is below 50% in the state.

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    Only the biggest cities -the ones making the greatest effort to hire minorities-train after hire.
    What's sad is Detroit is the only city I know of in the nation that had to actively recruit (only for the EMS side). They sent an ap out to every EMT/EMTP etc in the state.

    EMT and paramedic are courses that qualify for state assistance for those on welfare who did not graduate high school.
    If you have a GED the courses are FREE in some schools all the way through paramedic.

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    Since the person who started this thread did so out of ignorance because he thought that every department in the US wants nothing to do with EMS (as implicated in another thread) I will comment....

    Around here, most of the paid departments have to (some out of necessity to justify their existence as a career department) operate EMS...either transport or first-response.

    The ones who provide transport do so at the Paramedic level...and some provide service to all, or part of the county. (for instance...with my volunteer department, our ambulance is operated by the county's sole career fire department and covers the lower 2/3 of the county)

    Some of the largest cities in the state operate as the following as an example:

    Des Moines- ALS transport and ALS Engine Companies

    Cedar Rapids- ALS Engines (transport by county contract provider)

    Davenport- ALS Engines, (transport by city contract provider)

    Dubuque- ALS transport

    Iowa City- BLS Engines, (ALS transport by county operated service)

    Burlington- ALS Transport

    Muscatine- ALS Transport

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    ChicagoFF's question was just that... just a question. It was not out of ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medicmaster
    Since the person who started this thread did so out of ignorance because he thought that every department in the US wants nothing to do with EMS (as implicated in another thread) I will comment....
    Wow, someone is a little bitter. I started this thread beacause I was curious as to other areas policies regarding EMT status.

    Here you get EMT-b in the academy and are required to sign a contract to hold the license for a certain period (early ones signed 1 year contracts, now it's 2 years, some signed 5 years which got them a small cash bonus). Chicago has never tested for FF/EMT - only FF so when this emt thing came up they offered the contracts with the ability to drop. Now all the talk is about a new entrance exam in the spring and the rumors are that all new hires will be required to keep EMT-B as a condition of employment. I dropped my status with the city but I continue to maintain my license on my own.

    Medic master, I make no secret of the fact that I am not a fan of EMS, but this thread was in relation to our upcoming test and finding out how other areas handled it.

    If anyone is posting out of ignorance, it is you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods
    I've noticed a few mentions of "Need EMT-B to get hired". Why?? We have just the opposite here in Maryland, We train you after you're hired. With our Laws, you MUST be affiliated with a EMS provider, BEFORE you can take EMT classes. Maryland will not allow someone to be an EMT-B unless they are a bona-fide member of a providing organization
    Chief, I cant answer for everyone, but here its simple. The departments dont want to have to pay for the training. About the only thing some will pay for is paramedic school, but in most situations they want you fully certified (EMT or medic & state FF) before they will hire you.
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