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    Question 48/96 Cons

    My department is looking at the 48/96 schedule. I have found plenty of pros to it and I think I am sold on it but I was wondering if any of you that have experience with it have found any downsides to the schedule?


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    Check the legality of it in your state. Here in KY paid departments are 24-48 per statute.

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    Here is a website from the Boise Fire Department that has good resources regarding the 48/96 schedule

    http://www.48-96.com/
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    We actually went to this website to get some info and had some good info. Very biased but good info.....

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    Does that mean you actually work 48 hours strait?
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    Does that mean you actually work 48 hours strait?
    YES you work 48 on then are off 4 days straight.
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    48 hours? man I am a bag of crap after 24, dont think I'd like that one
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    Default also called a 2 x 4

    where is Bou..............do a quick search .................
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    Bou is in Southern Calie right now testing for a Captains position.
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    Well GOOD LUCK BOU !!!!!!! may the curse of mini-me NOT be upon you !
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    48 on and 96 off......Can be very tough on the family, especially your spouse.
    If your kids are young, she would have to get the kids to the sitter, pick them up and cater to their every need alone for 48 hours. If the kids are teenagers you might as well call her “Chauffer”. I feel the cost savings on drive time and maintenance would be offset by the added childcare costs.
    With any wheel we work in this job (except staff) the family takes a hit. Ask their opinion before pushing for it. It might just save you half of your retirement.
    I also think that the drivers are being put in a tough spot. A busy 48 hour shift would be taxing on the driver mentally. Accident cause do to exhaustion is preventable. Provisions need to be in writing prior to going to this schedule to protect the employees.
    How would this affect your sick bank? Can you come in at anytime that you start feeling better or are you compelled to be taxed the full 48 hours?
    How does this affect your overtime? Can you work a 72 or does this limit the off duty pool to only pulling from the one group not affected?

    I work a 4 group system on a 42 hour work wheel. I can not talk from experience but I do see cons.
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    Mulldog, I think that a lot of people see the same things you see when looking at the schedule. As with any change it would be an adjustment. Right now I work the Modified Kelly, Berkley, what ever you want to call it and here is the way I look at it. If I have a busy 24 hour shift I have 24 hours to recover unless it is my 4 day. It is much easier to recover over 4 days rather than one, even if it is a 48 hour shift. Our neighboring deparment went to the schedule and they love it.

    The website that was posted outlines the schedule and some of the results of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleIce
    Mulldog, I think that a lot of people see the same things you see when looking at the schedule. As with any change it would be an adjustment. Right now I work the Modified Kelly, Berkley, what ever you want to call it and here is the way I look at it. If I have a busy 24 hour shift I have 24 hours to recover unless it is my 4 day. It is much easier to recover over 4 days rather than one, even if it is a 48 hour shift. Our neighboring deparment went to the schedule and they love it.

    The website that was posted outlines the schedule and some of the results of it.
    Kyle, you're quite right about the recovery time. However why are you not considering 24/72? It would seem to be a much more satisfactory choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke20286
    Kyle, you're quite right about the recovery time. However why are you not considering 24/72? It would seem to be a much more satisfactory choice
    I guess I am not following....if I am working 1 on/3 off wouldn't that mean that there are 4 seprate shifts? We currently have only 3 shifts.

    Or are you thinking if 24/48?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleIce
    I guess I am not following....if I am working 1 on/3 off wouldn't that mean that there are 4 seprate shifts? We currently have only 3 shifts.

    Or are you thinking if 24/48?
    If I have a busy 24 hour shift I have 24 hours to recover unless it is my 4 day. It is much easier to recover over 4 days rather than one
    I was thinking with 24/72 you would have 3 days to recover, without having to work 48 strait
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    No thanks. May be good for the young ones, but us old timers have had enough after 24. I just got off a 48 (24 of OT) and I feel like I got over by a quint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke20286
    Kyle, you're quite right about the recovery time. However why are you not considering 24/72? It would seem to be a much more satisfactory choice
    24/72 is a 42 hr week. The 48/96 is a 56 hr week. Big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnyv
    24/72 is a 42 hr week. The 48/96 is a 56 hr week. Big difference.
    This is a schedule that I have never heard of. Does this mean that there are 4 shifts (i.e. A,B,C,D)??

    If that is the case, this is not a possibility for us. We only have 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleIce
    This is a schedule that I have never heard of. Does this mean that there are 4 shifts (i.e. A,B,C,D)??
    That is correct. Try to sell hiring 25% more FFs so you can get more time off

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    24/72 was a management suggestion here, they put it forward as a way to SAVE money, even though it required an extra shift. I have no idea why, it was before my time. 24/72 is fairly common on the east coast.
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