Residential High Rise fire

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Here is video for a High-rise fire on East 96th Street.

Fire Video

Discuss if you like.

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PS-
Parking garage fire also this morning.
7 story, 200x200. Collapse zone has been set up, doubtful will hold. Minor collapse 5th & 6th floors on 2/3 corner.
Here is a link to video from NY1 which has their studios right accross the street from this 4 alarm fire.

Parking Garage Fire video
NY1 story
ABC video
CBS video

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[Dave1983]

From the initial reports, something doesnt sound right.

Juan Bernal, Garage Supervisor: "They told that there was smoke in the motor room for the elevator and then they called the fire department because there was a lot smoke.

An elevator motor fire in that type of construction caused that? I find that a bit hard to belive. But I guess anythings possible.

Be interesting to hear what the final story is.

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Photos from NYnewsday:





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Tower Ladder Co's 9, 21 & 12



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[SteveDude]

Good stop by the FDNY on the High Rise. And that is why we attack agressively from the interior.

There are a (fortunately only a few) sadly misguided souls in the UK who are advocating; No Life risk= No interior attack!!! I'd like to have the sixth sense or X-Ray vision they have to be able to confirm that!!! The Good news is they appear to be the book educated high flyers that are employed by the smaller County Brigades...the Bad News is, they are the type of yes man that get the jobs in the Big City Departments because they won't make any waves politically.

I need to post that video on the UK Forum to prove a point I think.

[stillPSFB]

Nice stop on the highrise fire. That's how jobs should go - smooth operation.

The parking garage fire looks like hard work - it would be hard going inside there.

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Fred.....Where you there????

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Negative. Not in that day.

[tny]

FYI.
Thankfully, the good Capt in the Pic on the stretcher is Ok (little sprain).

Stay Safe

[imprezive]

I'm curious if you have any additional info on the high-rise fire? Year the building was constructed? If there was proper sprinkler activation? Want to use video in my "class".

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I'm curious if you have any additional info on the high-rise fire? Year the building was constructed? If there was proper sprinkler activation? Want to use video in my "class".

Probably built in 1930s-40s...possibly 20s but not sure. 99% sure there are no sprinkers except possibly in cellar.

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Follow this link...the 2nd and 3rd appartments are good examples of what an appartment in that building in the video would generally look like on the inside.

On the Market in New York City

Photos 7 to end.

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[nmfire]

Is it normal for such a heavy volume of fire to be blasting out the window like that? That apartment looked like a giant blow torch.

[ADSNWFLD]

great stop. 2 1/2 with the 1 1/8 tip?
was it wind blown?

[Batt18]

Looking at the flame front I would say this fire was almost certainly wind driven. The flame patterns are typical of a fire being 'blow-torched' and in this case, to good effect. It was heading out of the apartment to the exterior and not into the hallways! It would be interesting to see if this was the case and if so, what route was the wind taking through the interior? ... and was this a planned strategy?

[jakesdad]

Looking at the flame front I would say this fire was almost certainly wind driven. The flame patterns are typical of a fire being 'blow-torched' and in this case, to good effect. It was heading out of the apartment to the exterior and not into the hallways! It would be interesting to see if this was the case and if so, what route was the wind taking through the interior? ... and was this a planned strategy?

Judging from the looks of this fire, I would not say that this was a wind driven fire at all.

An apartment with a heavy fire load well involved with window failure....most certainly.

When we speak of wind-driven fires and their negative impact on the fireground, we are referring to a wind condition that is driving the fire back in to the apartment with intensity and velocity.

When the apartment door is opened, a true wind-driven fire can rapidly extend into the public hallway and extremely high heat can be pushed into apartments with open doors and into the stairwells when those doors are opened.

Firefighters have been killed in the public hallway at considerable distances from the fire apartment due to these conditions and their extremely rapid development.

Flames "blowtorching" OUT of the apartment windows is a good sign. All of that heat and smoke is exiting the apartment and making the advance of the line much easier in much more tenable conditions.

An orange glowing window with no flame or smoke venting from it indicates that fire is possibly being forced back into the apartment, and in turn, back on top of members trying to advance the line and perform searches.

Wind may be playing a role in the fire presented in the video, but not a detrimental one. It is possible that a window and door have been opened on the other side of the hallway and fire is being forced out of the original fire apartment by that wind.

But more likely, it is just a well involved apartment with window failure, as evidenced by its quick knock down.