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    Default are airforce enlisted ff's being sent to Iraq?

    my son enlisted and his mommie put me up to this; thanks.


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    Yes they are got back from Baghdad in Feb....

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    You bet. There has been a portion of bases that have been taken over by contractors, but Air Force FFs will continue to be part of the AEF rotations to Iraq, Afghanistan, and other locations throughout the world.

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    ...everywhere in the world. Not only as firefighters either. Air Force firefighters are doing a number of jobs other than fire protection. Convoy duty, force protection, and medivac to name a few. We had about 10 or so FFs come home a few weeks ago that were running on a medivac with the army. The would go out on missions almost weekly. If a convoy got hit, they would fly in via heli, and once the cops secured the scene, they would extricate victims and provide BLS. Then, onced they packaged the victim, they would put them on the blackhawk and the flight docs and flight medics would do thier thing.

    The current AEF rotation for the airforce puts FFs in a forward deployed location for 120 days (give or take).

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    For the extra missions over in Iraq will the fire fighters get extra training? Also why are they having to do jobs that they are not trained and schooled on doing? Doesant the army and the Marines have men for those jobs? Im goin into AF bootcamp in January to become a FPA and this is all news to me. I dont wanna sound like a coward because I am not, I dont even mind being deployed. Its just if I am gonna go over to Iraq and do something im not trained or schooled at id be a little ticked off.

    so who puts out the fires while were doing convoys? ...The army cooks, the Marine Band?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by keviny0
    For the extra missions over in Iraq will the fire fighters get extra training? Also why are they having to do jobs that they are not trained and schooled on doing? Doesant the army and the Marines have men for those jobs? Im goin into AF bootcamp in January to become a FPA and this is all news to me. I dont wanna sound like a coward because I am not, I dont even mind being deployed. Its just if I am gonna go over to Iraq and do something im not trained or schooled at id be a little ticked off.

    so who puts out the fires while were doing convoys? ...The army cooks, the Marine Band?????
    A normal AEF deployment (the cycle the air force uses) is 120 days or 4 months. If you are "T-Coded" when you deploy, it means you will deploy with the army/marines and do convoy duties. They will send you to colorado for a month to get combat training. After that, you will then go to Kuwait for a month to do exercises on what you learned. After those two months are finished, then your 4 month deployment starts; or 6 or 8 month. It all depends. We had guys come back that were out for 9 months doing that stuff. then we had guys who also came back from krgystan (sorry if misspelled) on a 4 month deployment and they actually did just fire protection for the base. If your worried about training... don't. The military will send you to training for whatever it is they want you to do. I believe - and i don't know when this will be implemented - that the air force will have thier own combat training after boot camp (similar to what the marines do). Just a rumor though so I can't say for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keviny0
    For the extra missions over in Iraq will the fire fighters get extra training? Also why are they having to do jobs that they are not trained and schooled on doing? Doesant the army and the Marines have men for those jobs? Im goin into AF bootcamp in January to become a FPA and this is all news to me. I dont wanna sound like a coward because I am not, I dont even mind being deployed. Its just if I am gonna go over to Iraq and do something im not trained or schooled at id be a little ticked off.

    so who puts out the fires while were doing convoys? ...The army cooks, the Marine Band?????
    If that is your attitude maybe you ought to re-think shipping out to bootcamp. You will be an American Fighting Person under the code of conduct. Defending the country and fighting for our ideals is your number one priority, your specific MOS is secondary to that goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnyv
    ROTFLMAO!!!!!

    I'm not sure similar has that open of a meaning! I can't wait to see the blue suits running the Crucible! Heck, if they want to drive all of the pansies out of the AF, they should just take them out of their bachelor pad BEQs and make them live in the same conditions as Marines!
    I respect every army and marine I meet and my hat is off to all of you. The amount of army and marines that I see come through Landstuhl every day, it's horrible. I don't believe I have ever seen any airman come through via medivac. maybe in the ER for a cold... lol

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    All kidding aside, I respect all the airmen and sailors out there who serve their country. They have a different job, and they are very good at it. All this 'purple" "jointness" crap seems to have blurred the line.

    The Army and Marines also have FFs overseas, and they are doing the same jobs as the AF guys-airfield, structural, convoy protection, fire prevention, and miscellaneous rescue jobs. Maybe we should have the Marines and Army who know how to shoot back riding on all the convoys.

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    I served with a few marines when I was deployed. I liked the fact that they had the P-19 with the manhole with 2 turrets, one for the weapon and one for the water, i saw that kind of ironic. And from what I understand is what you said, that you guys do firefighting down range, now is it true that most all navy/army/marine bases/posts/whatever are contracted by civilians or do you serve as firefighters at your home station?

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    The Marine Firefighters can be assigned to a MCAS (Marine Corps Air Station)-nondeployable billet- or to an MWSS (Marine Wing Support Squadron)-deployable. The MCAS's are not staffed with enough non-deployables to adequately staff the airfield, so the MWSS's are home stationed at the MCAS. The MOS 7051 ARFF firefighters are then administratively controlled by the MCAS HQ and assigned ARFF duty at the airfield.

    Over in Iraq, most of the base firefighting is being contracted out, due to a shortage of military firefighters. Last I heard, the Marines are still supporting Ala Asad airbase and about 10 FOBs-Fwd Operating Bases, with 80-100 7051s.

    Marine FFs also fill in their part of security duties when deployed-one of my buddies went to Iraq, and 2 of his Marines got stuck guarding POWs for a long period.

    Marine firefighters are also assigned to CBIRF-Chemical Biological Incident Response Force-and form a Rescue platoon-kind of a 20 man USAR team. Some are assigned to the DoD Fire Academy at Goodfellow as instructors, others take a break from the MOS and go to embassy, recruiting, drill instructor, or security forces billets.

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    DennisTheMenace... the purpose of my post was to show my dislike of being sent over to do a job that im not properly trained for. If I get trained the same as the marine infantry and Im told I have to do the Infantry convoy crap ill do it with no complaints. Dont get me wrong I dont wanna show any disrespect to the Marines or Army but its common knowledge that marines and Army are trained better for combat.

    Also I turned down many scholarships to join the military. I joined for one reason and one reason only and thats because I wanna serve my country. I dont need to re-think one bit about my decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keviny0
    DennisTheMenace... the purpose of my post was to show my dislike of being sent over to do a job that im not properly trained for. If I get trained the same as the marine infantry and Im told I have to do the Infantry convoy crap ill do it with no complaints. Dont get me wrong I dont wanna show any disrespect to the Marines or Army but its common knowledge that marines and Army are trained better for combat.

    Also I turned down many scholarships to join the military. I joined for one reason and one reason only and thats because I wanna serve my country. I dont need to re-think one bit about my decision.
    Ok, good luck! If you get over there remember keep your head down, except when aiming.
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    Question Saudi Arabia

    Are there any Air Force units out there preparing for an upcoming deployment to Saudi Arabia?? Just curious, I undertsand Opsec and comsec here, don't give me dates or units.......yet anyway!! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by showboshe
    Are there any Air Force units out there preparing for an upcoming deployment to Saudi Arabia?? Just curious, I undertsand Opsec and comsec here, don't give me dates or units.......yet anyway!! lol

    Not sure about Saudi since we closed most, if not all, our bases there. I was slated for PSAB (Prince Sultan Air Base) in 2004, but was cancelled due to the closing of our bases in Saudi. There is a constant rotation (called AEFs) of Air Force personnel going in and out of countries in that region.

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    All,
    I just stumbled onto this forum and have been enjoying the topics and learning a lot from all of the conversations. Iím very new to this so I apologize if Iím jumping in where I shouldnít be. Iím prior AF (81-87) and worked as a pneudraulic systems specialist on C-5ís and C-141ís during my enlistment (yeah, Iím an old dude). Iím from northern California and currently work for Dow Chemical (20 yrs) as an Industrial FF / EMT. I canít get enough of this stuff so I also work as a volunteer FF in a small rural community nearby to maintain and learn additional skills.
    I read some discussion early on about the differences between military and non-military personalities and found it interesting. In my experience there is a lot of truth to it. Thereís, for lack of better word, a ďqualityĒ that seems to exist when talking to or working with people who are or have been in the military.
    At any rate, I am seeking input and information as to whether or not you would encourage your child (if you had one) to enter the service to become a FF this day and age. I hear nothing but great things about the AF firefighting program but would like to hear it from the horseís mouth if at all possible. (Iím sure that all branches have very good programs so I mean no disrespect. I just havenít had the opportunity to hear about them. Besides I am prior AF and am probably a little bias as well). My 17 yr old son is very interested and almost a natural in firefighting/EMS. In fact, he attends training at the volunteer department I work at as often as possible to, if nothing else, observe since heís too young to join the department. He definitely has a thirst for knowledge and is not afraid to go get it. He has recently graduated from H/S and is suppose to start classes at a nearby junior college where he hopes to get into the FF academy and become an EMT. Although it is entirely his decision, I occasionally encourage him to look into the service because of the education, the camaraderie, experience, benefits, etc. I thoroughly enjoyed my experience and wish the same upon him. But, I realize times have changed and thatís why Iím seeking further information. Thanks, Marty

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    I am a former Federal Firefighter of 10 years, recently resigned for better things. Worked for the DoD at two Naval installations and one Army facility. I have two sons, ages 2 and 11 months. I come from a Navy family, my mom (HC3) and my dad (IC3) met while enlisted and were married before discharging. I, on the otherhand, made decisions (both good and bad) and never enlisted. I wish to this day that I had. I think I would have done well for myself had I been a Damage Controlman.

    I see the state of the armed services these days, and wonder what they will be like when my boys are of the age where they can enlist if they so desire. With all the budget cuts and program slashing, I wonder if it would be beneficial to them?? Will there be college money for them? Will the job training still be top-notch? Nevertheless, I am of the mindset that enlisting in any of the services is one of the most patriotic things you can do for your country. And as such, I will encourage them to enlist. Now, what service and MO they choose will have a great impact on my vocal desires. Obviously no parent wants to see their child become a ground pounder, or to see the ship they are on sink from under their feet, etc etc. No matter what they would choose, I would be no less proud of my sons.

    And if they chose not to enlist, I guess I would be a little dissapointed. But again, no less proud.
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    I spent 5 years as an Active Duty AF Firefighter and have been on my civilian department for about a year now. I have to tell you, I would not be where Im at today and wouldnt be half the man I am right now if I didnt serve! The certifications alone will do nothing but set him up for success. I walked away with 5 years experience, an AA degree, EMT-IV and every certification they offered! As did many of my pals who either stayed in or moved on and found a job fairly easily. One nice thing about the AF is how much they push training. I really think your son would get the best of both worlds. I was stationed at 3 permanant duty locations and went TDY 2 times to the sandbox. Not to mention all the travel I did while overseas! Experiences of a lifetime all the while having an awesome job and getting FREE training. A bit more exciting than a few years back home at community college and volunteering.

    I would push for him to get some college done before he enlists though. That way he'll get a little rank on his sleeve and that alone can make allot of things easier on a guy and more opportunities will come his way. Plus! If he starts with an AA and doesnt goto school one day while serving hell have enough GIBILL to get him his Masters once he gets out.

    One he get out he'll get the GI bill which pays my wife nearly 1200 dollars/month to goto school and spend however she pleases. I go halftime, my work pays the tuition and I get 600 bucks/month. Pretty sweet deal. I mean... who needs a second job if Uncle Sugar will pay ya to goto skool.

    Vet points are huge too! If he plans to get on w/ a city, he'll have preference over non-vets and have points added to his test scores for being a vet. If he plans on going DoD civilian then he's even more likely to find a job because his certs will undoubtly carry over and his vet status is there too.

    I will never regret serving my country the way I did. Sure, the AF is Hiltons of branches but its still serving! Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. I was in just a year and a half ago so I know the ropes!

    Send my luck to the kid...

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    Thank you ColoradoFireGuy and FWDbuff for your responses and words of encouragement. I knew I stumbled onto the right area. As far as being proud, I couldn't be any more proud of him. Whether he serves or not. In all honesty it will be somewhat disappointing for me if he limits himself to just a junior college. Like I stated in my initial posting, There is so much that the service has to offer and I don't want to see him spin his wheels when he's already got a jump on a FF career. I've explained to him that 4 years goes by in a snap but unfortunately you don't realize it until your down the road like myself. As a young kid 4 years must looks huge. I have talked with the Chief at Travis AFB and basically have an open invitation to take my son to the FD for a field trip. I've got to get off of my butt and make it a priority and hearing from guys like you encourages me to do so. I really appreciate it! I only wished that I had realized that I love this career years ago. I would have gone in as a FF and wouldn't be an old dog trying to learn new tricks. It's all good though. On the bright side I have been able to provide an example and some opportunity to my kids. I guess I can always live vicariously through them though, huh? (just joking)
    I am going to direct my son to this site so he can start getting his own answers since he will ultimately be the one making the decision. Hearing the examples an suggestions of others that have up to date experience is all the more encouraging. I heard an offer from ColoradoFireGuy to feel free to contact you. That's very cool and greatly appreciated. I just might do that very soon. Feel free to do the same if you so desire.
    What does the life of a firefighter in the service look like? Do you guys protect base housing as well as the flightline? Do you inspect sprinkler/deluge systems? What cert's are available to you guys and what does it take to become a paramedic? In my job at Dow we inspect and test sprinkler and deluge systems, provide Fire extinguisher training to the rest of the employees on site, train fire brigade members, respond to medicals as EMT-B, write confined space recues plans and are trained to perform rope rescues if necessary (haven't ever had to do one yet though), Attend an annual fire training school in Elko Nevada where we instruct our own brigade on class B fires. We even provide security for the site and are basically a service group. This may sound impressive and I am proud to be a part of it but we have so few incidents that our skills can become somewhat perishable and I'm a very much a use-it-or-lose-it type of guy! That is why I volunteer at another station so I can try to maintain my skills.
    One last question. I have been lead to believe that as a FF getting out of the service that there are departments just waiting at the doorstep to hire you. Is that a true statement or is that be a typical line you'd hear from a recruiter? I apologize for the length of this note but appreciate the opportunity learn and share with you. Thanks.

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    Heres another great site for both you and him to check out... Dodfire.com

    they also have a forum there: forum.dodfire.com

    Im @ work right now but will try and write more later

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