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    Default Pyrophoric Carbon

    Hey,

    What is your opinion on pyrophoric carbon? Does it exist or not? Is long term low terperature ignition of wood a plausible theory?



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    Here lies the problem.

    As I read the questions, it appears/assumes that pyrophoric carbon and long term low temperature ignition of wood are one in the same.

    My understanding is that they are not. Dr. Babrauskas, wrote an article after the Magnatek case which discusses the case and the misrepresentations/misunderstandings. It is available in the members only section of the IAAI website.

    Cuzzilo did a study on "pyrophoric carbon" which can be downloaded at: http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire00/PDF/f00161.pdf

    Pyrophric carbon as it applies to fire investigation...does it exist? Don't know.

    Long term low temperature ingition of wood plausible? Yes

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    Robert K. Toth, IAAI-CFI
    IRIS Fire Investigations, Inc.
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    11/08/2005

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    Here is another article from Dr. Babrauskas himself:

    http://www.doctorfire.com/low_temp_wood1.pdf

    I think the application of the term "pyrophoric" to long term low temperature ignition of wood is the first error...



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    Robert K. Toth, IAAI-CFI
    IRIS Fire Investigations, Inc.
    www.irisfire.com


    11/08/2005
    Last edited by firecop; 11-08-2005 at 01:35 PM.

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    Bob, have you ever encountered one issue that has confused the entire fire investigation community as much as this one? It's nuts.

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    Default Research on This Topic

    I feel after doing some research that long term low temp ignition of wood is not only plausible, but fact. The theory from the scientific community (as I understand it) is that the low temperature cooks the wood turning it in to charcoal which we all know is more reactive and the more porous the charcoal is the more oxygen it absorbs and the more reactive it becomes. For anyone who wants a copy of my research paper let me know and I'll send you a copy, but don't take credit for it!

    Sean
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    Bay Ridge Vol. Fire Co.
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