Thread: KME Selling?

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    Default I'm getting tired of this...

    Everyone is entitled to their onions but please don't try to pass off your "feelings" as fact. I did a search or these forums for "Aerialcat failure" and "KME aerial failure" and found nothing relevent.

    NFPA requires safety systems on all aerials to prevent us from doing something stupid. If your aerial is "shutting down" during operations,could it be operators doing something they are not supposed to do?

    The Chief asked if he could help you out and you gave him nothing but personal opinion and unfounded "facts".

    Our department has 3 KME's a 1989, 1995 and 2002. All trucks have been very reliable. The 1995 had an alternator go at a fire and the pump operator couldn't bring up the pressure but is this KMEs fault, NFPA's for making us move away from manual throttles or is it just simple equipment failure?

    I'm sorry I choose you to sound off on you, but these forums should be constructive and informative but more often than not they turn into bashing things you personally don't like. That's fine but don't try to pass it off as fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blmoore20
    Everyone is entitled to their onions but please don't try to pass off your "feelings" as fact. I did a search or these forums for "Aerialcat failure" and "KME aerial failure" and found nothing relevent.

    NFPA requires safety systems on all aerials to prevent us from doing something stupid. If your aerial is "shutting down" during operations,could it be operators doing something they are not supposed to do?

    The Chief asked if he could help you out and you gave him nothing but personal opinion and unfounded "facts".

    Our department has 3 KME's a 1989, 1995 and 2002. All trucks have been very reliable. The 1995 had an alternator go at a fire and the pump operator couldn't bring up the pressure but is this KMEs fault, NFPA's for making us move away from manual throttles or is it just simple equipment failure?

    I'm sorry I choose you to sound off on you, but these forums should be constructive and informative but more often than not they turn into bashing things you personally don't like. That's fine but don't try to pass it off as fact.
    Dear blmoore,

    I can't for the life of me see where you can possibly say that what I related to the other gentleman was anything but the facts as I, and numerous others, have experienced them to be over many, many years. In fact, I thought that I was very courteous and respectful to not only hfdchiefone, but the people at KME as well. I thought that I was in fact most constructive on my suggestions for improvement on the existing system, and also how KME might become the best fire apparatus line in the future. Where on God's Green Earth do you get anything other that that from my post?

    In addition, these comments of mine did not spring forth in a spurious moment of anger or vitriol, but were rather what I have carefully thought about for many years and wanted to eventually put forth at the appropriate moment. This appeared to be such a time and place. You cannot negate the truth of these facts with your dismissive charge of 'onions' (opinions?), as they all did indeed happen as I said.

    In addition, I never said that was ever any aerial structural failure, but rather my comments were in regard to a failure to function, let alone mentioning their historical failures to be able to even stay in service at a rate comparable to other apparatus in our bays; and these web sites are chock full of other such postings, indeed. In fact, a post just a bit earlier than mine also referred to their sensors mudding up and icing up an inordinate amount of time, as just one minor example, and also mentioned issues of down time, I believe, so get real. You didn't do much looking here on your own before you shot off back at me.

    Nobody here, or anywhere else, as far as I can tell, ever said anything bad about KME pumpers. Ever, so far as I can tell. Is this, by chance, what all 3 of your apparatus are. If so, then why chime in here at all? If not, then just kindly share with us what KME Aerialcat(s) you do own, and share with us just how reliably they have performed for you that you personally know about. Just the facts, please. I wouldn't want onions clouding the issue here. Have a nice day.

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    Grumman made junk, went out of business...KME bought Grumman Aerials...any questions?

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    Default KME vs. pierce

    i am inquiring about KME Vs. pierce. company is looking at the pierce enforcer vs. the KME predator i need some input that would. i am personally for pierce but i am just looking for some insight

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    Most of what you would get on here is personal brand loyalty BS. Don't buy into any of it. If someone gives you a heads up about something specific about each brand then research it yourself before you believe them.

    The ABSOLUTE BEST thing for your company to do is to get each dealer to bring you Enforcer and Predator demo rigs so that you can make a fair and informed comparison. Don't just look at how nice each one looks. Climb all over the rigs and check out the body construction, how the electrical wiring is run, fit and finish of components, cab crew space, locations of controls, etc, etc, etc...

    Also, get a list from each dealer of nearby companies that have the same model rigs that you are considering. Go look at their rigs and talk to the guys that operate them.

    You can't go wrong with doing the above.
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    Default Rigs Failing

    Beware of Multi-Plexing!!

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    As I've previously stated in other posts, our new tower is on the line at ALF. We decided to skip all the loyalty B.S. and take a trip to see trucks in person. We mostly limited our talks with actual firefighters assigned to the trucks. No Chiefs, because sometimes there is a little more than we know about with their choices (Boston, Waltham, our Dept.) In just about every case we found the majority of issues are with multiplexing and electronic sensors. You can get a truck without most of the junk, but most of the big manufacturers won't forgo anything thats in NFPA, or atleast unless you realyy push them, then check the price and warranty.

    As for KME they were pushing the new IQAN system, but we had decided that any major component had to be installed and working on 25 similar trucks. No sense being a test site for the price of these things. At least three companies tried to "sell" us onthe Phone a Friend Life line. This is where when the truck breaks down you plug a phone into it and the fix it by computer over the phone. If it didn't have a multiplexed problem it wouldn't need a computer-phone repair system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFDWaagner
    i am inquiring about KME Vs. pierce. company is looking at the pierce enforcer vs. the KME predator i need some input that would. i am personally for pierce but i am just looking for some insight
    We looked at the " Pierce Enforcer " and it is a great truck for the money with a 400 Cummins motor , 3000 EVS trans . Our board of fire commisoners went with a " KME Excel " Extreme pumper that only cost $ 275,000 without equipment , so far it has been very good with no major problems and the dealer " J.B. HUNT is very honest, and they are good people to work with !

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    Default hey njffII

    what company are u from in NJ

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    Originally Posted by DFDWaagner
    i am inquiring about KME Vs. pierce. company is looking at the pierce enforcer vs. the KME predator i need some input that would. i am personally for pierce but i am just looking for some insight
    DFD, we have 4 Pierces now.
    "It is not always greener on the other side of the fence"
    I don't think it matters what you get, you are gonna have some problems. Door latches and roof leaks seem to have been our problems on our Pierces. Paint is another issue we have had, but that may be due to our truck wash soap. The Pierces we have are easy to use.

    Here is our newest addition.
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    Woodbridge Twp District # 4 Keasbey , our new pumper is on the KME web site under " pumper gallery " No. 5906
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