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    Default Has anyone taken NIMS seriously?

    I am asking has anyone taken the NIMS course seriously? Be honest. Judgeing by the several push back date it seems to me no one really gives a crap about another unfunded federal mandate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stm4710
    I am asking has anyone taken the NIMS course seriously? Be honest. Judgeing by the several push back date it seems to me no one really gives a crap about another unfunded federal mandate.
    Just curious
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    One of my projects is NIMS adoption by fire, police, public works, and government administration. We will use some of our Homeland Security Grant Program money for training and exercises. The biggest problem is attitude. Outside of the FD, no one really cares. A letter is going to all department heads next week that lists what they need for NIMS compliance by September 30, 2006. The biggest impact would be the local PD not receiving federal grants because they are not NIMS compliant. I am sure I will get a bunch of phone calls from confused and upset department heads even though we have discussed NIMS requirements at our emergency management council meetings for over 2 years.

    There are still some problems with NIMS. The resource typing is wildland fire based. They have typing for ladder trucks now, but still not for structural engines or rescue companies.

    The use of 10 codes went from don't use them to use them for single department use only, to do not use them for emergency response.

    The ICS training online is difficult to get on sometimes and we do not have the resources to have more than 2 people online at a time to take the class. I would have to be available everytime someone is online to answer questions about password, user names, registrationn, etc. I printed out the materials for my fire fighters and they completed the 'training' without too many problems. Fortunately, the are familiar with ICS principles. Police, ems, and public works is a completelty different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenNFD1219
    The biggest impact would be the local PD not receiving federal grants because they are not NIMS compliant. [/URL]
    Count your local FD as someone who can't recieve anymore federal $$$ unless they're NIMS compliant as well...

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    In another 3 or 4 weeks, I will be teaching the I-700 class to the rest of my FD, EMS, and PD. That will put all of my emergency agencies at the 700 level. Can't speak for the politicians, public works, and others.
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    Nobody here is taking it seriously because they have had so much ICS training already from the wildfire side of things that its just redundant.

    But they are not getting signed off on NIMS so its kind of bad news for the dangling carrots and such.

    NIMS is IMO a huge waste of money. Why spend millions to rename ICS?
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    We comply for a couple of reasons. First, to be eligible for grants. Second, to be eligible for grants. As already mentioned, ICS already has the safety asppect pretty well covered. NIMS is just a refresher required to get more money.

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    Huh, and here all along I've been thinking NIMS was an acronym for "Not In My Station!" usually with a colorful expletive thrown in there somwhere...

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    Its pretty close to what we use for ICS anyway, so it was kinda a waste of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFSmoseley
    Huh, and here all along I've been thinking NIMS was an acronym for "Not In My Station!" usually with a colorful expletive thrown in there somwhere...

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    Our FD, EMS and PD have taken it and the DPW is working on it now.
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    Be aware that your Dispatchers are also required to be NIMS compliant in IS-100 and IS-700. Include them in your efforts to get other city departments certified. We were aware of this early on and are already certified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stm4710
    I am asking has anyone taken the NIMS course seriously? Be honest.
    Is it even possible to take something so half assed seriously?

    I didn't think so!

    As for the FEDS threatening that fire departments won't receive federal grants if they do not follow NIMS, I guess that doesn't matter if you keep getting turned down either way.
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    Default NIMS huh????????

    One dept i work for requires that you had NIMS before sept 30 or they would possibly take you off the roster. thats kentucky mind you i also work for tn vol fire depts that make no mention of NIMS. i asked a couple of the officers and they were like whats that. I think i has good resoning behide the course (i have taken it online.)

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    I havent used the NIMS yet. I use my state's system. But I respect the NIMS and feel its a good idea.

    Remember, ICS is based on military tactics and strategy. This is how they do big things with lot of people and specialities.

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