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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
    New England Life Flight and Boston Med Flight have 14 predesignated landing zones in my community, including Marlborough Airport (9B1), For other emergency LZ's they require a minimum of a 60X60 area free of obstructions, but they prefer at least 100X100.

    Radio comms with the helo ( never call it a chopper...the helo drivers hate that term with a passion) are important to let them know what is going on.. but never contact the helo on final approach unless something drastically changes that would abort the landing.

    Depending on the extrication time, the pilot may shut down the helo's engines (a three minute process to allow the turbines to spool and cool down and get properly lubricated. Engine startup is also a three minute process). They may also choose to do a "hot load" with the engines running. If you are assisting loading the patient(s) into the helo, follow the directions of the flight crew explicitly... it is extremely dangerous and failure to follow the flight crew's directions could lead to death (rotor blades and tail rotors are nasty ways to die.)

    We send an engine company to cover the LZ.

    For night landings, you can light up the area (aiming the lights to the ground, not skyward) so the helo drivers can see where you want them, but when they are on approach, shut the lights down... they will use their NightSun spotlights to illuminate the LZ.

    Captain Gonzo,

    I am pretty sure the Pilots would not like Helo Drivers as much as they don't like "choppers" we also can not stand it when someone calls and asks for a "bird" depending on how punchy we are feeling, we may tell them we do not have any "birds" but could send them a rotary wing aircraft if they want. Also, just so you know BMF has 3 aircraft 2 are BK117's (Blue/Grey) the other is a Dauphin (white/blue) the BK's have a 30 second shut down time, and I believe the Dauphin is also 30 seconds, but I will have to check on that. At BMF the preferred method for loading on a scene call is a hot load, however as you said we may shut down due to extended extrication, or if the LZ is different than the scene, in that case the pilot would shut down while the crew went to the scene to stabilize the patient.

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    My Dept. has had the good fortune to have a couple of new additions to our VFD, a young couple, she's a flight nurse with LifeNet and he's a HAM radio operator with ties to the NWS, they are both working out details of training they want to put on for us.

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    I never advocate putting 2 of my ff's near where I "don't hope" the chopper will crash. IMHO move the ff's on the rig so if needed they can move the rig, then deploy the hoses.
    I personally had one close call as the "CHOPPER" scrubbed the trees with the tail rotor... everyone was diving for cover!!!! I wouldn't have wanted to be near the crash with all those "spinny" things.

    I would also advocate a full engine company with foam quickly availible, pre-plummed, and fully geared.

    Safety for us and them on the chopper is the priority, not calander picks

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    Im from south jersy and we use south star. They do not want any strobes or flood lights on. It affects their infered camera. We use cones during the day and at night we angle up our hand lights and have cut off the bases of the cones so they fit on the light. 100' x100' lZ clear of wires trees etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire61emt
    Im from south jersy and we use south star. They do not want any strobes or flood lights on. It affects their infered camera. We use cones during the day and at night we angle up our hand lights and have cut off the bases of the cones so they fit on the light. 100' x100' lZ clear of wires trees etc.

    Boston Medflight may be rethinking our LZ wishes as we move towards using NVG's. Training has started and they should be fully implemented over thext month or so.

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    In my county it is usually up to the paramedics to call for the air ambulance. If the initial call sounds as if a chopper is needed, don't mean to offend the pilots there, an air stand by is requested. We are near a military base and have several ex-military so "chopper" is used often here. If the fire department is there before the ambulance and an assesment is given, the medics will decide to get them to respond to the scene. Otherwise it is up to the medics to make the call when they begin patient care. If it is a head on crash the med evac is requested to respond but may be called off if not needed. As far as the LZ, once a year Life Star will come and give a class, it is a two hour class and is good for recertification hours. As said, they prefer a 100 by 100 foot area clear of obstructions and as level as possible. All units and most portables have the National Mutual Aid frequency so we are able to directly talk to the pilots. The info they want is about obstructions and such and also patient info for the flight nurse. They have no preference on marking the LZ nor is it required during the day. At night they do not care how the LZ is marked as long as no bright lights are shining directly at them as they approach. They also want to approach into the wind. So if smoke is used during the day I would imagine that would be at the back side of the LZ so it does not become an issue with visibility.
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    8473... you are a knucklehead... and you can't spell. You've never gotten a truck stuck by accident? Hah.. you haven't handled one for very long, or you live in a concrete jungle. I can tell you about some classic stuck apparatus tales, by the best firefighters in the business... some of them got pretty hilarious... thence... the 15000lb winch and a snatch block, the yank out is paid for.
    I would wonder more about the heavy apparatus response for an LZ setup call.... but I WASN'T THERE!

    Your attitude would definately warrant a visit to the hotseat in your Chief's office. Or better yet, standing at parade rest, waiting for a professional ***** chewing. Live and Learn,, It'll give you character.


    later, kid
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    I have to be honest. What I see in his post is someone who obviously objected to the decision to cancel the response of the aircraft. (which could also be a question of the level of experience he has) I also believe him to be someone who is very frustrated with how his city government operates, which, having visted NJ, I can fully understand.

    I would imagine that the helicopter was probably waved off because of the fact that either patient condition did not warrant air transport, or the medics decided that they could deliver the patient to a hospital faster by ground. I can tell you from experience that HEMS is way overused in this country. Many flights are executed that really don't need to be.

    I'm not so much defending 8473, as I am curious as to why the forum has tunred on him like a pack of wild dogs. Reading the back posts, it appears to have started with nmfire's comments, which obviously upset 8473, and it deteriorated to the routine BS that seems to be more prevalent than ever on these forums.

    8473, I can tell you that you will not get anywhere with arguing with these people. There are people here who think that because they have x number of posts, they have the right to attack anyone they see fit. It seems to me that you are young, and inexperienced, so you should take what you have learned here and move on. You mention your legal problems, but I will reserve any judgement on that without knowing the whole story...(which BTW, I don't want to know!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187
    Do you not have a way to communicate directly with the helo?

    Smoke signals..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by medicmaster
    I have to be honest. What I see in his post is someone who obviously objected to the decision to cancel the response of the aircraft. (which could also be a question of the level of experience he has) I also believe him to be someone who is very frustrated with how his city government operates, which, having visted NJ, I can fully understand.

    I would imagine that the helicopter was probably waved off because of the fact that either patient condition did not warrant air transport, or the medics decided that they could deliver the patient to a hospital faster by ground. I can tell you from experience that HEMS is way overused in this country. Many flights are executed that really don't need to be.

    I'm not so much defending 8473, as I am curious as to why the forum has tunred on him like a pack of wild dogs. Reading the back posts, it appears to have started with nmfire's comments, which obviously upset 8473, and it deteriorated to the routine BS that seems to be more prevalent than ever on these forums.

    8473, I can tell you that you will not get anywhere with arguing with these people. There are people here who think that because they have x number of posts, they have the right to attack anyone they see fit. It seems to me that you are young, and inexperienced, so you should take what you have learned here and move on. You mention your legal problems, but I will reserve any judgement on that without knowing the whole story...(which BTW, I don't want to know!)

    Good Luck.
    Are you on this planet or just not actually reading anything. You claim to have read other posts, but you clearly didn't otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. So, how about instead of trying to be the lone defender of the innocent, you actually read the history behind this thread and read the other threads he has participated in. You'll see I am not just making this up because I saw some newbie with a low post count. Then, you might also want to pay special attention to the one where he explains that HE ISN'T EVEN AN ACTIVE MEMBER of any fire department now due to his criminal actions.

    So, before you go trying to blame this on me or other members due our post counts, you might try researching what you are getting into.
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    medicmaster, give it a rest already. Just because YOU feel you were ganged up on in some other threads doesn't mean you get to play the martyr now.

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    Gee chauffer, you just can't seem to get away from this topic, huh? Just kidding man. Good luck

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