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    The Phoenix firefighters were the ones on the heavy tile roof. The first one that went through the roof received burns that were non-life threatening. The others were only slightly injured - non injured.

    As I understand it, the Phoenix FD took that fire as a lesson and did some testing on ventilating truss roofs of various coverings under identical fire conditions. The time frame for collapse when under load were ALL scarier than they had expected (the basic asphalt didn't perform all that much better than the heavy tile) They now have a SOP that virtually avoids putting guys on truss roofs in most situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitsua98
    I sure hope that the guys who fell through those roofs were ok afterwards...
    ... one of the firefiighters that fell through the roof works for Phoenix Fire Department. One of a friends dad, and he still has the burnt up SCBA in his garage. Thank God he is still alive.

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    As for the video-production complaints, my feeling is, if it will make firefighters watch, and remember what can go wrong, it is worth viewing. Otherwise, maybe we all just oughta bury our heads in the sand in cry, "It wont happen to us! It won't happen to us!" That's what the fire service has done for 200 years, and we still manage to kill off 100 of us every year. Watch and learn.
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    I'm not suggesting we pretend the video doesn't exist and make like nothing ever happened. My point is people getting their jollies off this video as a form of 'cool' entertainment. There is nothing entertaining about nearly being killed.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Well I thought the video was cool and Social D is probably the most underrated band in rock. Good vid - great music. I suppose none of the critics have watched a highlight tape of wrecks from a car race or sporting event. Was wide world of sports wrong for showing the agony of defeat????

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    i may be wrong but arent you supposed to make a bunch of small cuts to see where to make the one big cut? for example make a small cut here and if nothing shows up go somewhere else, and when you find where you need to be, then cut that hole bigger and bigger?

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    I challenge anyone here to find a link to this video in WMV or MPEG. Com'on Techies, one of you can do it!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF
    Well I thought the video was cool and Social D is probably the most underrated band in rock. Good vid - great music. I suppose none of the critics have watched a highlight tape of wrecks from a car race or sporting event. Was wide world of sports wrong for showing the agony of defeat????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick9110E
    i may be wrong but arent you supposed to make a bunch of small cuts to see where to make the one big cut? for example make a small cut here and if nothing shows up go somewhere else, and when you find where you need to be, then cut that hole bigger and bigger?
    Yes, MAVERICK, they are used to get placement correct, but there are many other uses of small inspection cuts.

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    At the LAFD, smoke indicator holes are suggested along the path of access or egress every few yards. Smoke indicator holes are continually monitored to ensure all routes of travel and escape are safe throughout the roof operation. When placed directly in an area where a roof crew is working, they give a good indication of changing conditions, which may be vital for the safety of the roof ventilation team.
    Because we cant see through plywood and shingles, these cuts are very useful when you can't see fire conditions under the roof you are standing on. We all want to come off the roof safely. Just remember to have someone monitoring the placement and smoke conditions coming out of them. Close attention is needed to ensure you dont accidentally step off into one of them.

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    What is it with firefighters who cut holes in a roof with fire VENTING all around them? There's absolutely no point to it, the fire's already venting! All you're doing is unnecessarily risking your life.....

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    What is it with firefighters who cut holes in a roof with fire VENTING all around them? There's absolutely no point to it
    Tell that to the guys on the knob that are stuck in the hallway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berks2Montco84
    What is it with firefighters who cut holes in a roof with fire VENTING all around them? There's absolutely no point to it, the fire's already venting! All you're doing is unnecessarily risking your life.....
    I'm glad you aren't the roofman in the Ladder Co. anywhere near me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berks2Montco84
    What is it with firefighters who cut holes in a roof with fire VENTING all around them? There's absolutely no point to it, the fire's already venting! All you're doing is unnecessarily risking your life.....

    Your not unnecessarily risking your life. YOur helping the brothers in the engine!!!!!!!!
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    Yeah! How dare they want to vent as much heat and provide as much visibility possible to the guys inside. What are they, morons? Or could they be DOING THEIR JOB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berks2Montco84
    What is it with firefighters who cut holes in a roof with fire VENTING all around them? There's absolutely no point to it, the fire's already venting! All you're doing is unnecessarily risking your life.....
    I have fought fires in garden style apartment buildings where the fire has gone past interior "firewalls" and "firestops" (damn contractors!) in the cockloft area under the roof to involve another apartment. The fire venting through the hole may be an entirely different apartment unit burning.

    We too will make a bunch of small inspection holes to determine where to put the big honking vent hole or the trench cut.
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    Well...here we go...

    I thought the video was cool partially because a classic song (who reminded me of a very influencial man; my first chief) has been re-done and I could (for once) appreciate a different interpretation of a much-loved favourite.

    I do not necessarily watch every cotton-picking video with firefighting imagery with the intent to pick it apart and play armchair quarterback. Sometimes, I identify with the people in the video and feel empathy for them when they are dealing with a particularly nasty situation. Not every video needs to be viewed as a training film, particularly if the intent is for it to be the backdrop to a song.

    That would be my .02 on the subject so I'll let you folks get back to your debate..............
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    I think it's great

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierce151
    Social Distortion is definitly PUNK... (Shivers)
    Call em what you want - they still kick *****!

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    Berks2Montco84 thinks...
    "What is it with firefighters who cut holes in a roof with fire VENTING all around them? There's absolutely no point to it, the fire's already venting! All you're doing is unnecessarily risking your life....."

    These type statements are what gives certain segments of the fire service a bad name. Before you go mouthing off about tactics, I would suggest having more than book knowledge in the subject. I would bet that if youre crawling the halls you would be praying there is an aggressive truckie on that roof popping the top. But then again, lets all stand outside and save the damn foundation. Hey, we could also use our new 1/2 million dollar tower ladder to play a master stream into the one story dwelling thru the window. Stick to parades my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berks2Montco84
    What is it with firefighters who cut holes in a roof with fire VENTING all around them? There's absolutely no point to it, the fire's already venting! All you're doing is unnecessarily risking your life.....
    That same thought crossed my mind but we donít know whatís under those roofs.
    Risk vs. benefit, itís the thin line between being aggressive and being stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriTownship600
    Risk vs. benefit, itís the thin line between being aggressive and being stupid.
    Or being stupidly aggressive...

    Not to get into tactics...but when venting...OPEN THE BUILDING UP!!!! If it's one, or 200 holes..open it up. No use to keep that crap in there with you. One of the most favorite things I've ever done is aggressive roof venting on a flat, or almost flat roof. The best part in that vid, is when the guy is smacking the hell outt the roof with his axe, then throws it aside and just goes at the roof with the saw like a man possessed, I'd take him as my truckie any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU
    OH BOY...One of the big dawgs just showed up, one of my mentors...Brian. Thanks for sheding some light on the subject.

    Take care...Brett
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    The best part in that vid, is when the guy is smacking the hell outt the roof with his axe, then throws it aside and just goes at the roof with the saw like a man possessed,
    He was "sounding" the roof prior to cutting.

    That same thought crossed my mind but we donít know whatís under those roofs.
    Yes we do.....FIREFIGHTERS

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    Quote Originally Posted by E229Lt
    He was "sounding" the roof prior to cutting.
    Yes we do.....FIREFIGHTERS
    You took the words right out of my mouth.

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