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    Your Dept. Is Toned Out For A Grass Fire. What Truck's Role From Your Dept. Do You Have Aid Aggrements With Your Other Local Fd's For Grass,wildland Fire's??????

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    Pumper-tanker, followed by our heavy rescue, followed by additional pumper-tankers / tankers as needed
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    First out : class A pumper just in case we have structural involvment or threats to structures.

    Second out: Water Tanker / Tender Type III

    Third out :Type 6 engine with a Wajax skid unit with Foam.

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    We roll everything we have chucked full of as many bodies as we can. We know in our district if we get a grass fire it is normally one of two things arson at an IDNR run game preserve or some idiot we have in our district that isnt good at doing controlled burns over 20 acres BY HIMSELF!!! . Therefore we roll 2 brush trucks with 250 tanks and our new one has a 25 gallon foam tank, 1 light rescue, 3 pumper/tankers, one tanker, and soon to be added to the fleet an additional tanker. If its at the game preserve the dept next to us knows they will be called shortly for help, if its our local fire god its a different dept with a john deere gator set up for fire suppression. I believe we are also adding one of those to our fleet only its going to be a polaris ranger. We are really getting good at doing prairie and timber fires in structural turnout gear. Hmmm, me thinks maybe its time to start getting some wildland gear too. "Hey Chief!!!!!!!!!!" j/j but maybe some day.
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    Not a simple answer, our area is divided into geographical areas of similar terrain, elevation etc, each has a fire danger rating that changes day to day. We have 3 levels of dispatch low, medium and high based on this fire danger rating and values at risk (near homes or out in the middle of nowhere).

    This varies somewhat but is typical

    Low
    One Type 3 engine

    Medium
    2 or 3 engines
    Batt Chief
    1 Type 2 helicopter

    High
    5 Type 3 engines
    1 Patrol
    1 or 2 Batt. Chiefs
    1 Type 2 Helicopter (Bell 212 or similar)
    1 Type 1 Helitanker
    1 or 2 20 person handcrews
    1 or 2 water tenders
    1 dozer
    1 Air tanker
    1 Air attack

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    It just like i said. what Y O U R dept. roles....... in Y O U R area.... ITS THAT EASY..

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    Default Western Ohio here

    If in an open area....
    First out- 4X4 grass rig with a 250 Gallon Tank.

    Second out- Tanker.

    If dispatch confirms its near a structure, Engine rolls with the above mentioned, and Mutual Aid is put on standby untill we get to the scene and size things up.

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    Exclamation Brush fires

    What do we roll on brush fires?

    Brush rigs!

    Thanks.

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    Southeast area.
    On first due calls
    Engine to protect possible structures.
    Brush Truck- Military 5 ton with 1000 gallon tank and 100 Gpm pump.
    Tanker- depending on location.

    Aid for adjoining departments
    Brush truck and tanker

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    Northern California. CDF has responsibility for vegetation fires. We have responsibility to protect property. Usually the best way to protect property is to put the fire out. On a high dispatch level from CDF we will get 5 type 3 engines, 1 dozer (D6), 2 crews (16 people each), 2 air tankers 1200 gallons each, 1 helitack with crew and bucket (from Forest Service in this area), 1 BC. We will send our officer, engine (500 gallon type 1/2/3) and ambulance 2 piece company, volunteers will bring a 3000 gallon water tender and hopefully an additional type 1/2/3 engine, and we will also get automatic aid from the surrounding departments, usually amounts to 1-2 more engines, 1 more 3000 gallon tender, and 1 more officer.

    Because wildland is not our primary responsibility, and because we are such a small piece of the overall dispatch, often we will stay semi-available depending on conditions to respond to medicals and other higher priority incidents, especially the ambulance (obviously) and will try to get released from the incident as soon as conditions warrant.

    One interesting thing is CDF does not have water tenders so they always rely on local government for inital response, and since it is not mutual aid (they don't have any), if it is outside of our district we get paid for all the time we are out. With engines which are mutual aid, the duration has to go over 12 hours, at that point the engine is paid for all hours it worked including the first 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ltmdepas3280
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    Not the job i want........too hot..........burns up too fast
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    Central Oklahoma here....

    Lately, we are rolling everything we have in the inventory, as we have been getting hammered on wildland jobs. We have a lot of interface area, so we roll the structure engines out with the brush trucks. Depending on the station, here is the order:

    Station 1:

    1: 4x4 Attack Truck
    2: 4x4 Brush Truck #1
    3: Structure Engine #2 (FMC 4x4 with pump and roll capability)
    4: 4x4 Brush Truck #2
    5: Tanker
    6: Structure Engine #1 (2005 Pierce Contender)
    7: Gamma Goat (currently out of service)
    8: Rescue
    9: Utility Truck

    Station 2:

    1: 4x4 Attack Truck
    2: Structure Engine
    3: Tanker

    Station 3:

    1: 4x4 Attack Truck
    2: 4x4 Brush Truck
    3: Tanker
    4: Structure Engine

    Rescue stays on standby at station.

    This does depend on firefighter availability. The fire season has been extremely busy here the last several weeks, with no changes expected for quite awhile. We all help each other here, and in the last week we have had a 200+ acre and 100+ acre fire in our district (plus numerous smaller ones), and have responded mutual aid to numerous other departments, including one department that has had two 1000+ acre fires this week. It's also starting to get costly, both in repair and fuel costs. This fire season is going to be expensive, and some of the smaller departments in the county could find themselves in a budget crisis by the time it is over.

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    Brush fire-first alarm response for my dept. is, 1st-Dodge Ram brush truck(259gpm/250 tank) , 2nd- tanker-pumper (1000 gpm/1000 tank) ,heavy rescue (enclosed) , for manpower , hand tools and rehab . Should further resources be required , we have 2 additional tanker pumpers ,a 6000 gallon
    tractor trailer tanker and several utility vehicles in our arsenal. All surrounding fire companies also run at least 1 brush truck with their tanker pumpers and
    we all assist one another when needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormtrac
    The fire season has been extremely busy here the last several weeks, with no changes expected for quite awhile. We all help each other here, and in the last week we have had a 200+ acre and 100+ acre fire in our district (plus numerous smaller ones), and have responded mutual aid to numerous other departments, including one department that has had two 1000+ acre fires this week. It's also starting to get costly, both in repair and fuel costs. This fire season is going to be expensive, and some of the smaller departments in the county could find themselves in a budget crisis by the time it is over.
    Are these man-caused or lightning fires? Around here the state forestry (responsible for wildland fires) is very agressive about billing people responsible for causing fires for the cost of supression. Things get very expensive quickly. As I stated if the fire goes over 12 hours all local government engines that came get paid, all water tenders get paid, local government or hired, sometimes they have to hire private dozers, overtime gets paid out, reserve engines have to be staffed to cover, etc.

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    What do we roll on brush fires?

    Brush rigs!

    That was a good answer

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    (all in order of response)
    No life hazzard or structures Endangered:
    brush truck, 2 tankers, and if needed our 2 pumper/tankers, all non-emergency traffic. (Automatic assist by DNR with a Ranger and a plow)

    Structures Endangered: Pumper/tanker, Tanker, Brush truck, pumper/tanker, tanker, Mutual Aid if needed, Emergency Traffic until otherwise advised. (Automatic assist by DNR with a Ranger and a plow)
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    It depends on which station is first due but its usually either just 1 engine company with 3 to 4 personnel or 1 engine and 1 tanker (for rural areas with no hydrants) with 3 to 4 personnel. If dispatch gives enough info the first due engine co may call for another engine or special call for a tanker.

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    Closest station responds with one type 6 and one type 1 engine. 2nd station responds non-emergency with one type 6 and one type 1 tender (or tanker for eastern region), these units can be up graded to emergency response if needed.

    Upon arrival IC can request additional resources from Automatic or Mutual Aid: personnel, additional engines, up to Type 3 dozer. After that it's go to resource list.
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    Comfirmed Wildland fire (no grass here, heavy timber) assignment:

    Station 1
    First out: Type 6 (ford f-550)
    Second: Type 1 structure engine
    third: Water tender
    Fourth: Rescue (also a type 6, ford f-550)

    Station 2
    First out: Type 4 wildland engine
    Second out:Type 1 structure engine
    thrid out: Water tender
    fourth out: Rescue (also a type 6, GMC chassis)

    Station 3:
    Water tender
    Water tender

    Also have auto aid with a local combo department, all confirmed wildland fires get their type 6 and a water tender.

    Have available a county wildland taskforce comprised of mitigation crews from 4 departments.

    Sheriff emergency services also sends a crew, can get a county open space crew if it's on county open space property, can get a USFS crew if it's on fed land.

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    We roll: 2 Type 6 Engines
    2 Type 4 Engines/Type 3 Tenders
    1 Type 3 Engine
    1 Equipment van, with up to 5 Firefighters.

    All except for the van are all wheel drive.

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    We cover 121 square miles with 5 stations. The Central Station is staffed with 1-2 paid firefighters and volunteers and the other sateillette stations are staffed solely by volunteers.

    Normal Response:
    Staffed Engine from Central Station (may be driver only if brush truck is rolled).
    2 Closest Satelliette Engines.
    Brush Truck from Central Station or northern satelliette station (closest).
    1 Tanker (3000 gallon) from closest Satelliette house.
    Rescue from Central Station for rehab staffed by responding volunteers.

    2nd brush truck eases toward incident cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BirkenVogt
    Are these man-caused or lightning fires? Around here the state forestry (responsible for wildland fires) is very agressive about billing people responsible for causing fires for the cost of supression. Things get very expensive quickly. As I stated if the fire goes over 12 hours all local government engines that came get paid, all water tenders get paid, local government or hired, sometimes they have to hire private dozers, overtime gets paid out, reserve engines have to be staffed to cover, etc.

    Birken
    Sorry for the delay in answering...

    It has been a combination of all types of initiation. Everything from arson to accidental fires from welding and dirt bikes. Right now we are in the middle of the worst grass fire season I can remember in Oklahoma, with numerous fires in the hundreds of acres, and some in the thousands (we mutual aided on a 16,000 acre fire last week...and on the same day there was one that burned 49 square miles 2 counties to our Northwest). We purchased 2 new 1 ton 4x4 trucks to build more grass rigs out of, but have not had the time to work on them!

    All companies have been wonderful providing mutual aid, both volunteer and paid departments. Nobody hesitates to either call for help or send it...and municipal and county lines are not even taken into consideration. If it were not for this willingness to work together, we would have lost alot more structures than we have.

    As for the cost...well, most if not all departments have suffered breakdowns, and the cost of fuel is outrageous. Also taking into consideration equipment accidently lost or damaged, time lost from regular jobs, personal expenses (our Chief runs a bulldozer service, and had been using it everyday...at his expense...at fires all around the area)...well, it is adding up fast. Many departments are hoping that with the disaster declaration, FEMA reimbursement money will be available (don't hold your breath). We have had some fires on BIA land that we get some reimbursement from (this is a great program), but as for anything else...well, we will se if we get anything from the government (most likely 6-9 months down the road)

    It is a bad situation, as several small departments have already went through their budget for the next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985

    What do we roll on brush fires?

    Brush rigs!


    That was a good answer
    Ahhh....right.

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    Initially, we send our bruch truck, slide in with 150 gpm / 300 gal. and 2 small portable pumps, an engine with 1500 gpm / 1000 gal, a squad with 150 gpm / 300 gal and the NC forestry service is dispatched, bringing a minimum of Ranger and a small brush truck. More resources are available such a plows, more engines, etc. One unique item we employ is a 25' fire / rescue boat that will launch for fires closer to the sound. (we're surrounded by water) Capable of supplying over 2000 gpm in as little as 4 feet of water. The boat can carry an ATV, or extra crews and equipment. For those interested, the boat we own is made by M & S Fire, at mandsfire.com and pictures are on their site.

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