Well after much debate and discussion we are finally changing the way that our Investigations Task Force operates. Our Task Force is made up of members of several different departments which in the past has lead to some confusion on the fire ground since you could have an Investigator using his call sign from his home department when he goes out to investigate an incident that may be on the other side of the county quite aways away from his or any neighboring jurisdictions. This lead to some confusion for the dispatchers (especially at shift change if information wasn't pass along) and in some incidents lead them to believe that an apparatus responded from the Investigators jurisdiction and not just the individual. Confused yet? Well that's what we want to change. We have been approved to provide the Task Force with their own unique radio identifier. The way it works in our area is each agency has a unique radio number. So say for example X department is 12 so their radio call signs would be 12 engine 1, 12 command 1, etc and Y department would be the same only their number is 6 so they are 6 engine 1 and 6 command 1, etc. Well now this Task Force will be 25 but we aren't sure what to fill the gap with. Had tossed around 25 Sam 1, 25 IDA 1, 25 Mary David 1 and some others.
So the question are:
What is your department doing for radio call signs?
What call signs are you using for investigators? (if any)
What would you suggest to use?
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12-05-2005, 03:05 PM #1
Investigator Call Sign
12-05-2005, 03:25 PM #2
My county investigators is like yours. We have members from 8 different departments. To help with confusion radio idís for investigators are F.I. ##. My investigator i.d. is FI-27.
What is your department doing for radio call signs? Officers C-31 chief C in front is Chief Asst. Chief or Captain. And odd numbers. L-lieutenants. Everyone else uses three number id.. Everyone also has three number id as well. My three number id is 919.( Go figure) Call letters is C39.
What call signs are you using for investigators? (if any) F.I.-##
What would you suggest to use? The nice thing about using the F.I. number for us everyone in the county has their call signs and letter uses. This way we do not have a chance of stepping on any toes. With all the departments we run with in this function. Although we do not do much air time only limited so the fd that call can use it. Hope it helped you some.Training does not make perfect. Training makes permanent!
12-05-2005, 04:33 PM #3
All 17 departments in my county use 3 diget numbers for administrative units with 2 letter department designations (first two letters of the department name). 400 numbers are for prevention/inspection/investigation. My departments designation is PS, and I am my departments 7th inspector (not a rank, just randomly assigned). So, in the county system I am PS407.
As for radio call signs, they are either apparatus designations, company officer designations or administrative units. For example, my DC, when on duty, has an apparatus radio ID of District 27. District is a command unit and 27 is the station. When he's off duty, he is PS602. PS is the department, operations are 600 numbers, and he is our 2nd ranking DC. But, he does not use both PS602 & District 27 at the same time.
When on duty, I am only either Driver27 or Driver28 (engineer for Engine 27 or Truck 28). I am never PS407 when on duty.
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12-05-2005, 08:28 PM #4
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In my county each department has a 2 digit dept. identifier and a 2 digit unit identifier.
Example: my department is 43. Our primary engine 1 is 01.
so 4301 is our unique ID.
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Direct responders can also be assigned a number. For example XX61 is always the chief, XX91 is always wildland division chief, etc. So, a fire investigator would have their own unique identifer that tells what dept. they're from, and then the number unique for them in the Dept.
It seems to work really well in the county and it's easy to tell what pieces are rolling on any call. If I ask mutual aid from 42XX and hear 4201 and 4241 en route, I know I have an engine and a tender on their way!
12-05-2005, 11:00 PM #5
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Each department in our area of the county uses a unique identifier for apparatus. Each city has a two digit number to identify the city. When identifying a unit, we first state the units type, engine, truck, medic, etc. Then the city identifer. Then the unit/station number (i.e. E561). Investigators are I's (Investigator) in the system. Each investigator has a number assisgned to them 1 through 9 to follow their city identifier (i.e. I209). All dispatchers in the system are used to this system and we have not had any difficulties since it was put into operation about 15 years ago.K-9 hunt, the ultimate challange.
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12-06-2005, 01:50 AM #6
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Ok, whatever you use, always use the KISS therory....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!
(no offense of course) Use what is the most simple for everyone to remember, easy to say, and what fits into your system. The last thing you want to do is to pull out a cheat sheet to see who the heck number whomever is. Remember, less is more. Don't make it more confusing than it already is. The more alphabet soup you spit out, the more confusing it is and the more you have to remember at 4am.
My department, small department, 2 investigators. We are call by our radio numbers within the department. We don't have a county wide task force, each is on their own. If someone needs help, they call for a specific person to be called at home or paged on their radio frequency to come to the scene.
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12-06-2005, 10:35 AM #7
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Our county has about 15 different departments in it, all work together under automatic aid. Each department has a block of numbers they can use, based on the number of stations they have. Apparatus dispatched on an incident marks with their apparatus type followed by department/station number.
For example, Columbus Fire has a block of 50 numbers (1-50) with 34 stations presently. An engine out of station 6 would be E6.
Westerville fire has a block of numbers (110-118) with 3 stations presetnly. A Ladder out of station 111 is L111. Investigators are part of each department's prevention bureau and wold mark as P111, for example.
12-06-2005, 01:53 PM #8
We're part of an 11 city regional dispatch system (referred to as Verdugo). Each city is a Battalion under this system. We, for example, are Battalion 4. Each station in a given city is numbered with the Battalion number as the first digit followed by a second sequential number to identify the specific station. Since we only have one station, ours is 41. A larger city like Pasadena (Battalion 3) has several: Station 31, Station 32, etc.
The only part that gets a little odd is the two highest numbered Battalions. Battalion 10 is Monrovia, and Arcadia, rather than being Battalion 11, is Battalion 105. This gets the numbering off a bit...Monrovia's two stations are Stations 101 and 102 (following the normal pattern), but Arcadia has Stations 105, 106 and 107.
Apparatus use the station number, so we've got Engine 41, Truck 41, RA (Rescue Ambulance) 41, etc. Second or third pieces at a station add a 200 or 300 to the number (Engine 241, Engine 341, etc.) and reserve apparatus have a 700 prefix.
Department-level resources, such as Battalion Chiefs and Investigators, use the Battalion number as their identifier for their unit. Some departments may also have company-level investigators (usually a senior FF or officer who's trained as an investigator, but assigned to a front-line company). They'll handle the smaller invesigations, and will usually be referred to with their company number.
For the most part, we only deal with the cities in our dispatch system and LA County Fire. If LACoFD units are on-scene, we'll just append "County" in front of their unit to make it clear, even though their numbering is usually different enough to make it clear that its a non-Verdugo unit.Chris Gaylord
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12-06-2005, 01:57 PM #9Originally Posted by Dickey
Thanks for all the input guys. I think that I'll let the Investigators pick what they want to be called (within reason) but more than likely they will probably end up as SAM units. I had really thought that it would make more sense for them to be IDA units since we use the O-Ocean, T-Tom, I-Ida format to help understand what letter we are using and since investigators starts with an I it seemed logical, but too many departments in the area use IDA for their old guys that just won't leave the department but aren't active firefighters. You know the guys I'm talking about Not knocking the old guys...we appreciate you hanging around. Just poking fun. Anway, to keep from confusion with them we will probably end up using SAM.
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12-06-2005, 04:09 PM #10Originally Posted by Not2L84U2
Call them what they are. Engine 1, Truck 1, Rescue 1, Battalion 1, etc.
Staff folks, Chief 1, (DA BOSS MAN), through what ever, Fire Marshal 1 or FM1, through what ever Investigator 1 through what ever, Training 1 through what ever.
Donít make it complicated, where every one will need a cheat sheet to know what is what.Stay Safe and Well Out There....
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12-06-2005, 04:16 PM #11
Our Division team has its own series of numbers that clearly identify members.IAFF-IACOJ PROUD
12-06-2005, 10:37 PM #12
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"FM" = Fire Marshal. Followed by a number that indicates for which town.
Don't really see our Town Fire Marshals travelling too far -- generally just cover a neighbor. Anything that needs more resources / technical help gets the State Fire Marshals Office (State Police) involved.
12-07-2005, 12:36 AM #13
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Each Station has a number. As in Station 18.
Each unit has a number. Our Engine 1 is Engine 181 on the radio.
Trucks, Towers, Squads (Heavy Rescues) have just the Company number and the equipment type as in Squad 18 or Tower 18
Chiefs are the station number and a letter. As the Assistant Chief, I am Chief 18-A on the radio.
As for the investigators, Station 15 closed way back in the 1930's and the number 15 became the radio identification for the Fire Marshall's office. Numbers are 4 digits As: Car 1532Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
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