Here is another we can discuss...
We have all seen the the cars & trucks, with the low profile tires, spoilers, paint jobs etc...
What do people think? Meaning, that if you ph*ck up (not even responding to a call) & people recognize that car as being associated with local ABC Rescue/Hooterville Fire. What should happen to the offending driver?
A former Capt. of mine was very much against drawing any un do attention to yourself or service. And requested to the memebership that a persons light permit be pulled or suspended if you were issued a ticket for a motor vehicle violation.
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12-09-2005, 08:10 AM #1
A Different take on POV's
12-09-2005, 08:31 AM #2
I hafta agree with that. I mean this is MY area now. Im not into import racers but I used to work for StreetGlow, and if you know sport compact, then you know we were very big with neon lighting. We also made strobe lights. I hafta gree that if yer into sport compact and yer racing around with yer NOS system and yer stereo booming doing illegal things, then yeah you should lose yer blue light permit.
I dont think you should lose it if you get 1-2 speeding tickets, but if your caught drag racing down the street... or your caught doing things that your average joe isnt pulled over for, then yeah lose it. Because it will give responders a bad name.
We already get a bad rep from some of the old timers who THINK we are speeding down the street when our lights are on. I think they did a study and it was posted in another forum here, they had cars respond down the road with lights on and lights off, they all went same speed limit. People thought they were speeding with lights on.
But back to point on hand, they already draw enough attention and put a bad taste in a lot of law enforcements/publics eyes. Now im ALL for modifying your vehicle i mean hey myt ruck is modified (mostly electronic accessories) and i can understand the passion and the feeling it gives ya. But if your involved in public safety and your just REALLLLY being a dumbass and racing down the road CONSTANTLY for fun with your buddies, blowing lights, doing drag races and burnouts, then yeah your just asking for trouble.Adam, EMT-B
12-09-2005, 02:08 PM #3
Last edited by Res343cue; 06-07-2006 at 12:03 AM. Reason: Users calling chiefs bitching about this. :rolleyes:Originally Posted by ThNozzleMan
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12-09-2005, 03:14 PM #4
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That little sticker on your window is all it takes.
Identifies you with the fire service in general, and your station in particular. If the safety of everyone on the road is not cause enough for you to drive safely, hopefully the reputation of your department and fellow firefighters is...
And by "you" I don't mean anyone specific here, just that generic "you".-------;- "Aaaaa!!"
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12-09-2005, 04:04 PM #5
I dont think this kinda thread will stir up stuff Chris... diff topic then the unmentionable one
Another thing i wanted to add, it'd be same as a police officer in a car when a sticker ID'ing his department. If hes out on the road in his POV racing around breaking the law, i know for sure townspeople would have a fit and mention something and im sure he'd get in trouble.
Thats why our squad members are NOT allowed inside a bar with ANY squad identification on. We just don't want to be associated with certain things. Funny thing is, one of our stickers is at the local young/hip bar hangout nearby, hehe ironic isnt it.Adam, EMT-B
12-09-2005, 04:20 PM #6Originally Posted by Adam07003
although I currently have no stickers on my car, I will prbably put a maltese cross or SOL on it in the near future, as well as FD plates or something of the like in the near future.
be proud of your organization, even show off you are a member, just don't embarrass the organization by your actions.If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!
12-09-2005, 10:49 PM #7
Originally Posted by Adam07003
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- Purcellville, VA
"No member shall consume alcohol in a public or semi-public venue while wearing the PVRS logo, name or uniform."
I think it's an EXCELLENT idea. The last thing a rescue squad or fire co. that relies on public donations and town funds needs is to get a reputation for frequenting a bar. You (the methphorical you, of course, in this situation) may know that you're off duty when you enter a bar wearing a uniform, but the general public doesn't. I'd hate for people to start thinking that our EMTs are drinking anything other than water or Coke while on duty. That just potentially opens up a can of worms that doesn't need to be touched in today's letigious society.
While we're on the subject of alcohol, I also happened across a rule that prohibits the consumption of alcohol within 8 hours of starting a duty shift. (Another good idea, IMHO.) Does anyone else have a similar policy?
12-10-2005, 11:14 AM #8
As an adviser for our dept's explorer post, the first thing I tell them when they finish training and are ready to respond is about not being stupid. The all are eager to get the license plate and are proud to wear the t-shirts and jackets. They are all told that when you drive around with the plate, you are advirtising who you are and what department you affiliated with whether you are going to a call or going to movies. If youu drive like an ***, you are reflecting badly on everyone and we will find out about it one way or another. Wearing the clothing does the same thing. I wasn't born yesterday and I know what high school kids like to do when there isn't school the next day. Don't go wearing the FD shirts and jackets to parties. Even if you don't drink and your the DD for the night, put on something else.
So far, people seem to understand it pretty well. I think starting these concepts when they are young and new is much easier than telling someone who has been in the dept for 10 years not to do something they've been doing for 10 years.Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.
12-10-2005, 11:25 AM #9
If the violation is serious enough you can face suspension for a month. Non serious violations will get a warning form the chief. Once warned if it happens again suspension, and so forth including being removed from the department.
For serious violations (and since it is in our department SOP) you will face a 1 month suspension immediatley. This would including flying through a red light. Its too much to type how it all breaks down, however the more serious the moving violation the more serious the disiplinary action will be. Bottom line is there is no reason for a member to injury citizens with there POV (or any vehicle) while trying to respond to an alarm.You need only two tools: WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't, use the duct tape.
12-11-2005, 12:34 AM #10
Yeah its in our guidelines also, almost same verbage...
I have the GENERIC id's on my vehicle indicating im an EMT (windshield/back window/license plates), no squad affiliation on my truck. I ride for 1 squad, soon to be 2, rather not put tons of stickers on it.
I might remove my EMT sticker and put the FD logo i'll be volunteering for and have a new logo made for my NJ squad (shown to the left), because its not the best looking... i dunno yet. I like small things that ID who im part of, people respect ya a lil more and look to you if they need help. Im not afraid to stop and help someone, i nkow some guys are against logos of any sort because they dont wanna stop, not me... but those of us who have our logos and things know NOT to horse around like the "import racers" who acuse lots of trouble.
If your in an import like that you are ALREADY labeled as trouble... now show an affiliation and thats going to put a bad taste in peoples mouths.Adam, EMT-B
12-11-2005, 12:55 AM #11
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We had a similar situation a few years ago, with one of our members who had an old beater pickup truck with about a dozen rebel flags on the back window (not just the flag, most of them were bumper stickers with various redneck-type messages on them, borderline racist stuff). (Understand that our service area is about 50% African-American population) Needless to say, not the image you want your firefighters projecting when you're going into a predominantly black neighborhood. This was before I was chief, though, and that guy's not with us any more....I suppose it's something I'd have to address if a similar situation arises again, though.Chief Dwayne LeBlanc
Paincourtville Volunteer Fire Department
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12-11-2005, 10:25 AM #12
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Blue lights and Station Wagons.
That could be a topic in and of itself.
Station Wagons with spinners.
I remember a time when it was considered in poor taste to put mag wheels on a four door vehicle.
And why do we find spoilers on pick ups now?
Should blue lights be offered as an option straight from the dealer's floor?
I think we need more "firefighter edition" everything.
I am in talks right now with Jarrett's people to install a light bar on their car.
Blue lights and NASCAR.
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12-13-2005, 12:37 AM #13
I think it primarily depends on the violation issued.
Driving recklessly, sure. Speeding 5-10 over, no.
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12-14-2005, 12:00 AM #14
If you investigate further into your Organizations insurance carrier, some will not permit you from driving Dept equipment with 1 or 2 tickets... However, as I say this, point systems and the BMV are different from state to state..
Ohio, well, 1 ticket I believe is 2 points... (not sure, it's been a LONG time since I got one, knock on wood.....)
I believe VFIS will not permit Ohioans with 4 points to drive, I'd check your local Insurance carriers before I got too lax about how many tickets you think it's "OK" to get.....Giggity - Giggity!
12-14-2005, 08:05 AM #15
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Ticket? What ticket?
I thought that was what the little light bar and dash light was for - to get you out of tickets. Then you don't have to worry about them. (being fecetious, of course).
12-15-2005, 01:33 AM #16
12-28-2005, 10:34 AM #17
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- Dec 2005
Sorry ya'll, but I just have to jump in. As a mother of 2, my car (92 Taurus) is a grocery getter, kid runner, and oh yeah, an emergency vehicle. I volunteer for a rural department, and when I read about spoilers and such, all I could think was"Oh yeah.. that will make it down that dirt track we've just got paged to.." My personal favorite is the guy with the new Z71 who parks at the end and walks in, just so he won't scratch anything. We usually leave him to flag traffic.
12-31-2005, 01:59 PM #18
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First of all, you're a moron if you're driving recklessly, regardless of whether you have anything associated with your organization on your vehicle or not. Secondly, when you do put something on your vehicle that's associated with your organization, you have to hold yourself to a higher standard.
A blue light is a priviledge, not a right. I agree that anyone who is convicted of a motor vehicle violation should lose their blue light permit for a certain amount of time. They can have it back once they prove themselves mature enough to handle one. On a side note, a blue light shouldn't even be used responding to calls. The only time a blue light should really be used is when approaching a scene so that the fire police can identify your vehicle and allow you access to the scene.
01-16-2006, 06:25 PM #19
The wildland crew I worked on had very strict rules about that stuff. A lot of times we were on the road for two weeks, and your choice of shirts was pretty thin. If we went to a restaurant and someone wanted to have a drink, you put something else on, and if you didn't have anything else you turned your shirt inside out, no exceptions.
01-21-2006, 07:29 PM #20
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- Vincennes, IN
Our policy is pretty much the same with alot of other departments. We just recently had a volunteer get into trouble for running am amber light in the front windshield. In our state it's legal for a volunteer to have amber, but the amber light he was using looked red and bout cuased me and another volunteer to collide. I was pretty amazed that the state cop behind us (we had just passed him) didn't go after him. He not only got into trouble for that but also for driving recklessley.
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