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    Look at the title of the thread. "One for Norm. Ship 'em air freight". Tell me there is an ounce of respect in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42
    Look at the title of the thread. "One for Norm. Ship 'em air freight". Tell me there is an ounce of respect in that?

    I have to agree with you on this...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by medicmaster
    1. So...you can post whatever right-wing crap that you dredge up and we are supposed to accept that as fact...and God help the person who disagrees with you.

    2. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. I guess it just depends on what side of the fence you are on huh...

    I guess if sc is so despicable, what would that make you? I hear an awful lot of talk on here about being respectful, and simply agreeing to disagree, but you always feel the need to attack someone if their views differ from yours...albeit very protracted and passive-aggressive to avoid being reprimanded for your attacks.

    Absolutely disgraceful....
    First of all, I do not care what the political persuasion of the author of that article is. It is poorly researched, poorly written and patently deceptive.

    Second of all, I have never talked about "agreeing to disagree' or having respect for anyone who is anti-American or decides to dishonor our troops. I never will.

    Third, you crybabies always say "he yells at us if we don't agree with him". Grow up. Have a set of principles and stick to them. How strong are your beliefs if you do not stand up for them?

    Disgraceful? Me? Hardly. Disgraceful is putting down our troops and this country every chance you get. If you liberals don't like it, change it. Otherwise, you are free to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Disgraceful? Me? Hardly. Disgraceful is putting down our troops and this country every chance you get. If you liberals don't like it, change it. Otherwise, you are free to leave.
    The disgrace was the way this person was treated upon their return. Since you live waaayyyy on the other side of the US, you probably think the media in San Diego is just another liberal outlet. And like everything else, you would be wrong. SD is a very conservative town and its media outlets reflect that position. It has a HUGE military population. Something the city and its leadership are very proud to put forth as part of their image. Contrary to what you might think (like all other rational peoples), the story wasn't written nor was it perceived as a slam against the troops. It was written to show the outrage with the callous manner in which this family has been treated after their son had made the ultimate sacrifice. But somehow in your beta male personality you just can't believe anything done by the military is improper or disrespectful.

    I don't have the figures. But I read somewhere the majority of the casualties endured by the USMC were from units here in Camp Pendleton. So please spare us the usual conservative clap trap that this is just a bunch of liberal whacks. You don't live here, and clearly like everything else you have no idea what is going on here.

    Instead of buying those cheesy yellow ribbons (probably made in China) I do things to support the troops as individuals. Right now one of our more liberal state senators (representing SF of all places) is doing a CD drive for the troops. I just sent over a 100 CD's (because I don't listen to CD's any longer) to her district office so they can be shipped overseas to the men and women in Iraq. I also did my yearly contribution to the USO so that some random troop can phone home. My support is something that might actually have an impact to the troops. Not just empty rhetoric or even emptier symbols.

    What have you done besides make inane posts on an obscure message board?

    Typical of the conservatives that come after me around the table. They talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. They talk about how we have to "support our President", but that is as far as it goes. All of them are under the now increased age limit for enlistment, and none of them are beating a path to the recuiters office.

    So please give the "we don't support the troops" blow hard talking points a rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    First of all, I do not care what the political persuasion of the author of that article is. It is poorly researched, poorly written and patently deceptive.
    As many news items that you post on here, what news story is completely and absolutely researched to erase any doubt, or not create deception?

    I thought this article read just like any other article in any newspaper anywhere.

    Read the story and take it for what its worth, no news story is ever completely right. However, obviously there was an issue here that needed to be reported on, and I highly doubt that a family with strong military background would **** on the military if they didn't have good reason...

    I fail to see why this is a liberal vs. conservative issue...
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    Quote Originally Posted by medicmaster
    As many news items that you post on here, what news story is completely and absolutely researched to erase any doubt, or not create deception?

    I thought this article read just like any other article in any newspaper anywhere.

    Read the story and take it for what its worth, no news story is ever completely right. However, obviously there was an issue here that needed to be reported on, and I highly doubt that a family with strong military background would **** on the military if they didn't have good reason...

    I fail to see why this is a liberal vs. conservative issue...
    Oddly, I do not see this as a liberal vs. conservative issue either. I see it as an anti-military issue. That is why Boxer's fingerprints are all over it.

    Also, I did take the article for it was worth. But printer paper hurts when I wipe my butt with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Oddly, I do not see this as a liberal vs. conservative issue either. I see it as an anti-military issue. That is why Boxer's fingerprints are all over it.
    This part of the post almost sounded reasonable until the knee jerk idiotic reaction at the end. The family called Boxer. Not the other way around. Are there literacy tests where you work?


    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    Also, I did take the article for it was worth. But printer paper hurts when I wipe my butt with it.
    I guess we won't have to worry about booking any trips to Stockholm in the near future to watch you pick up your prize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnyv
    That article is beautiful and brutal at the same time-hard to read with the watery eyes, no matter how many times I've read it.
    I recently saw a picture on an ARFF forum of an aircraft pulling into the airport in Houston with a Marine KIA on board. The airport FD had 4 crash trucks flowing crossed streams over the aircraft as it pulled into the taxiway. It is very common across the country for State and local police to escort the hearse from the airport to the funeral home, as well as taking part in the funeral procession. A member of my unit died in Iraq last Dec 28, and I saw it done for him. The Gunnery Sgt who accompanied him here from Dover was assigned from Quantico, and didn't know Jay or any of us. However, as a fellow Marine, he felt our pain.
    Maybe Veterans such as we understand it better Gunny

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    Amazing! Never seen such a bull*hit post. Of course we have SC leading out with medicmaster folowing him up as usual. Mutt and Jeff.


    DaSharkie - thanks for posting your story.

    I know that, but everywhere else on this forum........you spew forth your disdain for the current administration. Let's not kid each other or anyone else here as to what your intentions were in creating this thread.
    Agreed - this post was nothing more than tasteless drivel from SC. But then again its just the kool aid talking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86
    The disgrace was the way this person was treated upon their return. Since you live waaayyyy on the other side of the US, you probably think the media in San Diego is just another liberal outlet. And like everything else, you would be wrong. SD is a very conservative town and its media outlets reflect that position. It has a HUGE military population. Something the city and its leadership are very proud to put forth as part of their image. Contrary to what you might think (like all other rational peoples), the story wasn't written nor was it perceived as a slam against the troops. It was written to show the outrage with the callous manner in which this family has been treated after their son had made the ultimate sacrifice. But somehow in your beta male personality you just can't believe anything done by the military is improper or disrespectful.
    Your right, it wasnt a slam against the troops, but you used it as ammo to fuel your disdain of the current administration. Your motive is very clear by your titlement of the posting.

    I don't have the figures. But I read somewhere the majority of the casualties endured by the USMC were from units here in Camp Pendleton.
    Umm.. can you guess why that is?


    Instead of buying those cheesy yellow ribbons (probably made in China) I do things to support the troops as individuals. Right now one of our more liberal state senators (representing SF of all places) is doing a CD drive for the troops. I just sent over a 100 CD's (because I don't listen to CD's any longer) to her district office so they can be shipped overseas to the men and women in Iraq. I also did my yearly contribution to the USO so that some random troop can phone home. My support is something that might actually have an impact to the troops. Not just empty rhetoric or even emptier symbols.
    Of course your way is right and everyone who does it different is wrong! So you donated some phone cards - your so much better than the rest of us for it. Get over yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSTONER
    Your right, it wasnt a slam against the troops, but you used it as ammo to fuel your disdain of the current administration. Your motive is very clear by your titlement of the posting.
    And you're correct also. It is the administration that sets the tone for how folks are treated. It's called 'policy'.


    [QUOTE=SSTONER]Umm.. can you guess why that is?[QUOTE=SSTONER]

    Yup!


    Quote Originally Posted by SSTONER
    Of course your way is right and everyone who does it different is wrong! So you donated some phone cards - your so much better than the rest of us for it. Get over yourself.
    Which one has a greater impact on troop morale. Buying a little sticker? Or helping someone phone home to speak with loved ones? That's a toss up.
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