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    I got a Cairns 880 helmet for christmas. I love the helmet, but for some reason the nuts holding the faceshield on keep popping loose and the shield falls down. It is a 4 inch faceshield, not bourkes. Any tips on how to fix this problem? I find that I can tighten the nuts some, but if the shield gets bumped, they pop loose again, letting the shield fall back down. Any ideas?

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    Take it off. Those shields are useless, after a few fires you can't see through them. Get yourself a good pair of safety glasses or goggles and put them in your pocket. Bourkes are OK if you wanna look cool (that's why I have them, I need all the help I can get) but they are useless also.
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    The first problem you have is the fact that you have a face shield attached to your helmet. Take it off!! Get a set of Bourkes or Goggles, you will be much happier.

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    I had a similar problem with my helmet. Make sure you have the rubber pieces in the right spot...they go between the shield and the tightening knobs, not between the shield and the helmet.

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    Put a few wraps of "teflon" tape on there, like you would use for plumbing, or air lines. That should help stop it from turning. If not, find another pair of the nuts, and jam them together to act as a "jam nut"
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    did he say "jam nut" ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weruj1
    did he say "jam nut" ?
    yep, he did. Seriously though, I had the same suggestion, or add a compression washer (I think thats what their called). Its a washer that is like sprung steel, and instead of being flat is warped a bit. Works much like a lock washer, but without the split ring.

    Like SeavilleFire said, make sure that the rubber washers are in the correct location, to work properly.
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    Dump the shield

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainS
    Dump the shield
    Second the Motion. Flipdown shields are NOT recognized as eye protection in the NFPA standards. Goggles are. Cairns makes a NFPA-compliant Goggle that you can attach to the helment, or carry in your pocket. Either way, Goggles provide much more protection than flipdowns. BTW, I don't like Bourkes either, but back when they came out, they were the only game in town, and a lot better than nothing.
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    Bourkes look cooler

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeavilleFire
    Bourkes look cooler
    Depends on who you want to look like.......

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    At least with a face shield you can tuck your head down, towards your chest and offer some form or protection. From what I've seen of Bourkes, they look more like glorified drop downs. I've never worn a set, but they just dont seem to be offering much in the way of any protection. I like the shield because it is a full face covering, although I could argue for the closer protection of goggles. Except that I wear glasses, so goggles are not very efficient. And no matter which I've used, they can and do fog up.
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    Eye protection is highly over rated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruckSkipper
    Take it off. Those shields are useless, after a few fires you can't see through them. Get yourself a good pair of safety glasses or goggles and put them in your pocket. Bourkes are OK if you wanna look cool (that's why I have them, I need all the help I can get) but they are useless also.
    Shields aren't useless. I use mine whenever we have to setup a landing zone in a field. The helicopters blow around alot of stuff and the shield makes life easier

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    Take it off or buy you some bourkes and put them in place. I have bourkes on my leather and I can honestly tell you that I have never pulled them down for eye protection. I agree with who ever said eye protection is over rated but our department states that we will have eye protection on our helmets at all times. NFPA states that you will to and bourkes arent enough they require goggles to meet NFPA standards and I dont wear goggles either. You dont need Bourkes, face shields or goggles if you are interior anyways cause you better have your face piece on and that is enough eye/face protection for me.
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    Eye protection is highly over rated.
    Take it from someone who's had a piece of steel dug out of his eyeball, it's not. In fact, it's underused in my opinion. I learned my lesson back in my auto tech days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman
    Take it from someone who's had a piece of steel dug out of his eyeball, it's not. In fact, it's underused in my opinion. I learned my lesson back in my auto tech days.
    It only takes once.
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    Bob, good to hear from you again. Happy New Year.
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    Take it from someone who's had a piece of steel dug out of his eyeball, it's not. In fact, it's underused in my opinion.
    It only takes once.


    I couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve never had steel removed from my eye; however, I have had corneal abrasions, twice. There is nothing more miserable than to not be able to open your eyes, or having a doctor examine your eye while it’s injured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOSER303
    You dont need Bourkes, face shields or goggles if you are interior anyways cause you better have your face piece on and that is enough eye/face protection for me.

    That is true...but what about the times when you arent interior...and your doing something else that requires eye protection....I recently learned the value of a good set of goggles at a recent training drill when I was cutting a metal garage door with the k-12...a piece of metal hit my safety glasses in the lense and made a little mark....now if I only didnt have my glasses on...forget about it.. I dunno would I'd do without my eyes....the ladies love em! lol
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    eye protection is vital. your faceshild is worthless. and annoying too. they always seem to fall down at just the wrong time.

    if your department will allow it, get rid of the faceshield. get a pair of safety glasses (thats two sets) one amber in color and one tinted. keep one set in your gear at all times. those are what will protect your eyes, and if you keep them in your gear, they won't get messed up. and if they do get scratched or ruined, well, throw them out and get another pair for less than $20.

    bourkes are great for looks only. I think that no traditional style helmet looks complete without them. get the cheapest ones you can, because they are going to get ruined.

    but dump the faceshield
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    I agree with the rest of the these. Get rid of the shield. Buy yourself some ESS goggles with a helmet mounting kit and a nomex goggle protector. I used this set up on my helmet of years and I can still see out of both eyes.

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    Regarding the "eye protection is highly overated" statement, sracasm gentlemen sarcasm

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