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    Default Cairns versus Paul Conway leather

    I would really appreciate any and all feedback on the paul Conway leather versus the New Yorker and Sam Houston.

    I like the look and low profile of the Paul Conway.

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    The Conway isn't a true leather lid...from the website..
    Shell — Leather processed with state-of-the-art chromium tanning process to seal protective qualities and color and to reflect heat. Won’t chip like painted leather helmets.
    LeatherGlas™ — process molds a fiberglass composite between the outer and inner layers of the leather shell for superior strength and durability during extreme conditions.
    See for yourself here....

    http://www.paulconwayshields.com/AH.asp

    I have seen fiberglass cows at Kimball Farms Ice Cream in Westford, Massachusetts..is that where LeatherGlas comes from?
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    recently switched from the paul conway to the sam houston.

    both are good helmets but I like the sam houston better.

    if you do a search there are a few threads with same question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdemarse
    recently switched from the paul conway to the sam houston.

    both are good helmets but I like the sam houston better.

    if you do a search there are a few threads with same question.
    I got my Houston today, love it already, especially after removing that stupid foam pad in the suspension. Muy Caliante!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfd4life
    I got my Houston today, love it already, especially after removing that stupid foam pad in the suspension. Muy Caliante!

    I thought about that but the way it comes stock, the tip of my ears barely touch the brim of the helmet so I am not sure I want to take it out. I really dont want to cut it out and then not like it.
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    I have a Sam Houston and a New Yorker and I have removed the foam pads out of both and they fit and feel much better. The foam pads seemed to have concentrated more of the weight right on the top of my head which made them uncomfortable.

    After using both of the Cairns helmets I would have to go with the New Yorker. BTW, I still use both helmets, but if the Sam Houston gets damaged it will be replaced with a New Yorker.
    I can't believe they actually pay me to do this!!!

    One friend noted yesterday that a fire officer only carries a flashlight, sometimes prompting grumbling from firefighters who have to lug tools and hoses.
    "The old saying is you never know how heavy that flashlight can become," the friend said.
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    I just recently purchased a Conway and I'm happy with it.

    I wanted a New Yorker but my chief is a stickler for the NFPA certification on any gear we purchase ourselves.

    The price difference between the Conway and the Houston is what sealed the deal.

    Some may not see it as a "true" leather but it's still better than a plastic lid.

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    Talking new yorker

    Our Chief recently began allowing us to wear our own leather helmets - either of the Cairns models. I tried on both, and ordered the New Yorker, as I prefer the lower fit. I finally got it in the mail yesterday from allhandsfire.com which had the lowest price and delivered it in 1 week at Christmastime!!

    I also cut out the foam pad, and it fits great!! I got my shield today, and it goes in service tomorrow morning. What a great helmet!!!

    I highly recommend the New Yorker!!


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    PS I have no affiliation with allhandsfire.com, I was just very impressed with their service.

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    I thought about allhandsfire.com for my N6A until I read the fine print

    "*This helmet configuration is not kept in stock. Please allow 10-12 weeks for delivery."

    That was for a Sam Houston with bourkes
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    Default huh...

    Yeah, I guess read the fine print before buying. Mine is a black New Yorker with Bourkes, which they did have in stock (I e-mailed them before purchasing).


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    N6A all the way!!! Got mine with the faceshied but went to bourkes and goggles. Got rid of the foam pad, fits great wouldn't wear anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdemarse
    I thought about allhandsfire.com for my N6A until I read the fine print

    "*This helmet configuration is not kept in stock. Please allow 10-12 weeks for delivery."

    That was for a Sam Houston with bourkes
    Yeah the time frame is bad but I believe they have the cheapest prices around. I would wait it out to save $50.00

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    I cut the foam pad out last night and have to say I do like it better also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehs7554
    Yeah the time frame is bad but I believe they have the cheapest prices around. I would wait it out to save $50.00
    thefirestore.com has them for $30 more but I had mine in my hands in 3 days.
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    My first leather was a N6A Houston, I went to the N5A New Yorker with the goggles.

    I , too cut the suspenison straps of the N6 and velcroed the pad to the top of the impact liner. The N6 is my backup lid now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
    I , too cut the suspenison straps of the N6 and velcroed the pad to the top of the impact liner.
    Does it fit well that way? I didn't cut the suspension straps on mine. I just took the round pad out and it's low enough that if it gets any lower it would be hitting the top of my ears.
    I can't believe they actually pay me to do this!!!

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    It does fit better. I kept the ratchet sytem, as I liek being able to adjust the fit for different hair length, wearing a wool watch cap on c-c-c-cold winter nights, etc.

    I got the N5A because I liked it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
    I kept the ratchet sytem, as I liek being able to adjust the fit for different hair length
    Yeah. like those times when you get the urge to grow out those dreds right Cap?

    I used to wear a Paul Conway when I was on the job. I liked it a lot and liked the fit along with the leather head band and padding. It all depends on how you like it I guess.

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    Up until recently I have been wearing a Phenix 1500 TL. Like it better than the newer versions of the N5A and the N6A. It sat alot lower and a loy lighter. But with my promotion I am wearing my old mans 5A, no guts no nothin.

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    When you say pul the guts out - do you take out the whole suspension system or just the foam?

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    Santa Claus finally brought me my first N5A for X-mas. Unfortunally I am an Engineer so it probally will not see fire for a while, but I would never go back to my old helmet. I love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FirstDueCTVol
    When you say pul the guts out - do you take out the whole suspension system or just the foam?
    I just take the round foam pad out of mine. I leave the suspension straps in place. That is how most of the guys on my department does theirs. (it feels so much more comfortable) CaptainGonzo says that he takes his suspension out and velcros his foam pad to the impact liner. I haven't seen this done. Sounds like it works though. If you're feeling adventurous you can give that a shot. To each his own. Do what feels best for you.
    I can't believe they actually pay me to do this!!!

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    If you are pulling the suspension out of the helmet, you are defeating 1/2 the purpose of the helmet. The suspension is there to help absorb some of the shock and impact from a falling object. Does your chief know that the suspension has been removed? I gaurantee that if you were in my department you would not be allowed to wear that helmet to any call. If it is that uncomfortable, switch to a different helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee750
    If you are pulling the suspension out of the helmet, you are defeating 1/2 the purpose of the helmet. The suspension is there to help absorb some of the shock and impact from a falling object. Does your chief know that the suspension has been removed? I gaurantee that if you were in my department you would not be allowed to wear that helmet to any call. If it is that uncomfortable, switch to a different helmet.
    Well, I am not in your department

    My lids are not department issue, I bought them using my clothing allowance.

    for the record..my New Yorker's suspension is intact. It is a much better fitting lid than my Houston, even with the setup I have in it now.
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