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    anyone know how far out of a fire dept boundries can a member live and respond

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    Im not sure on this but I think it depends on your state. I think in NY under general municipal law it says a certain percentage can live outside the district but not sure if it gives how many miles.

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    There is no standard rule.

    Some municipalities set residency regulations on thier F/T guys, but I have not seen many for volleys.

    The department usually sets those guidelines, and it all depends on the local policy and perhaps situation. If you are an exceptional member or candidate (i.e. well qualified or experienced), you may get more leeway.

    Go ask your local dept.
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    Thumbs up residency

    Our Dept. has a residency requirement of 1 mile from the municipal boundry and no more than 1/4 of the membership at any time. this keeps the response time at a respectable level. 90% of our response times are within 4 minutes even with the outside members. we have one female that tried to join a neighboring dept. and gave her the run around. she applied with my company and proved she can hold her own. in this day and age with the shortage of volunteers when they walk in the door and say they want to vol. sign them up they can always transfer later. our losap program also covers the out of town members.

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    It varies a lot. There may be some state rules, but in other areas, its just department policy.

    On our department, you either have to work in town or live within 2 miles of the intersection at the center of town, which allows you to live in parts of Arcadia or Pasadena.

    We do also have an option for a certain percentage of members to move to what we call Reserve status. To become a Reserve, one has to have been a member in good standing for at least 5 years and request the change in status. Reserve members have lower drill and call attendance requirements, and don't have to meet the residency requirements, but they also can't hold any rank above FF (actually, Reserve FF is their rank, which is equivalent to FF). The percentage works out to allowing for 7 or 8 Reserve members at any given time.
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    Here is what is in our by-laws. Being a rural area we generaly, don't take anyone out more than two miles. Depends on the person and how close they are to another department.



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    (B) QUALIFICATIONS FOR FIREFIGHTER MUST BE RESIDENT, PROPERTY OWNER, OPERATOR OF A BUSINESS INSIDE SAINT CLAIR TOWNSHIP, OR OTHER BOUNDARIES SET FOR BY THE GLENMOOR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT ASSOCIATION, AND MUST REMAIN AS AN ACTIVE ASSOCIATION MEMBER
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    Quote Originally Posted by FF11727
    anyone know how far out of a fire dept boundries can a member live and respond

    I would have to say with in a reasonable driving distiance to the firehouse. -- Me personally I live 3 miles from the station and basically drive one road straight after getting out of my development. {With 7 Traffic Lights and Traffic it takes me about 6 minutes}

    Our Unwritten "Rule" is 2 miles from the boro boarder "As the crow flies" - which really broadens our home responder boundries.
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    every dept is different.
    in our dept. you can live 1 mile outside dept jurisdiction only if

    1. you are a member in good standing
    2. have been a member for at least 1 year.

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    We have FFs that live 7 miles from the station and they are in our distric, others that are closer that are not in our distric. If they want to join and fight fires we will give them a try
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    We Have Members Who Have Lived Outside The Disrict Boundries For Years. By Laws Say You Must Reside Within District,but These Were Never Enforced. New Chief Wants To Increase The Boundries Up To 1 Mile Outside The District (as The Crow Flies )to Bring In More Members But Also Wants To Throw Out The Members Who Live Outside His New One Mile Marker. I Say He's Gonna Have To Grandfather In The Members Who Have Lived Outside The District For All Those Years That They Haven't Enforced.

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    Thumbs down Well................

    WHY??? Why would anyone want to restrict their members to living in a certain area. Our department has absolutely no residency requirement of any kind, and We have 5 members who live out of State. AND, we have no problems because of this. In fact, we (The State of Maryland) are looking to make residency reqirements illegal. There is simply no good reason for have a restrictive rule like that.
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    I live 62 miles from my squad... granted I come in for a 12 hour shift and stay in quarters, but i've been a member for a year. The new place im vollying at on Long Island doesnt require residency, but again, you stay at building.

    The local FD i wanted to join requires I think 2 miles from their border to join.
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    My district, aside from other eligibility requirements, allows for a member to reside within 10 miles of the Firehouse.
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    Our department is a combo paid/volunteer with four companies making up the city Fire Bureau. As such, the volunteers are technically employees of the city and, although the city has vary rigid requirements on training certifications, they leave membership requirements to the individual companies.
    Three of the companies follow the old standards of being a city resident for membership and they are paying a price with declining numbers of new members. Our company recently revised our by-laws to include anyone residing in the two phone company prefixes in and around the city. That opened it to residents of the surrounding township ( that puts any prospective member within 3 miles of the city limits on any side ).
    We also included any member or paid staff of our ambulance corps, which was founded by our hose company in 1972 and shares our station. That move gave us 6 new members: 4 of which are FF1, 3 of them are peramedics and the othe three EMTs, and altogether they combine to give us about 40 additional years of firefighting experience.

    If you want your company to survive and grow then you have to make whatever changes you need to.
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    Our department maintains that all personnel should live within the twp in order to be a member of the department. But they do allow a one mile driving distance from any of the borders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods
    WHY??? Why would anyone want to restrict their members to living in a certain area. Our department has absolutely no residency requirement of any kind, and We have 5 members who live out of State. AND, we have no problems because of this. In fact, we (The State of Maryland) are looking to make residency reqirements illegal. There is simply no good reason for have a restrictive rule like that.
    We have no provisions for sleeping at the station. Also, 70-80% of our calls are EMS. If you don't live close, there's no way you'll be able to respond effectively. I live in town, and I rarely ever make the first engine (and sometimes not even the second) as I'm on the far edge of town from the station.
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    Thumbs down Another tradition

    I don’t get it.

    Do those of you with residency requirements also mandate that all members be employed inside the district?

    I don’t care where they sleep. If they’re available and close 5 days a week, I put’em to work.

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    It's not just a tradition.

    In our dept for example, I am only allowed to maintain 25 members. Any more, and the district administrator feels that the cost to cloth and train them is too high.

    If our roster is full, and I have a casual guy who lives out of district and will make only a few calls, and another who lives and works in district and can make more calls, the second guy gets the spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriTownship600
    I don’t get it.

    Do those of you with residency requirements also mandate that all members be employed inside the district?

    I don’t care where they sleep. If they’re available and close 5 days a week, I put’em to work.

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    Using a political boundry as a requirement for call response in not appropriate and illegal in some states. We use a maximum response standard of 4 minutes from the station from your work or you residence. If you have members who need to travel 10 or more miles just to get to the station, you should be calling the neighboing department for assistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiftyOnePride
    My district, aside from other eligibility requirements, allows for a member to reside within 10 miles of the Firehouse.
    10 miles outside to be a member right? Or, is that the ruling for responding? Can you respond from 10 miles, im not sure if your in the country or not, let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyPro
    You either have to live OR work in the 2 mile radius. That way we get some daytime, some nighttime, and a few like me who do both.
    Id love to work for a company that would allow me to leave to take an EMS/Fire call. But im guessing companies that let you do that, arnt your typical 9-5r in an office at a computer type job.
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    Our rules are the City limits, however, there were a couple of guys that were in town when they joined, and since moved. They kinda got grandfathered, I guess 1/2 mile outside isn't too awful bad....
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